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I'm wondering if they are planning on giving a break to Corolla permanent residents on the toll?

Beach Farmer


Do Philly and Camden residents get a break on the Ben Franklin? Walt Whitman?

tc08105


I really don't care what your little moral position is on it. I'm asking if anyone knows.

Beach Farmer


People wonder why hardly anyone comes on here anymore.

Have a nice day.

tc08105


Maybe you should look at the thousands of views the posts on this board still get. Sorry if I don't want to get into a pissing match with you over the morality of bridge toll discounts for locals. Do you think that somehow people come here for that? I have no control over toll discounts and neither do you. Comparing the situation here to Philadelphia and Camden, two of the most corrupt sh!tholes on Earth is not a good analogy. ...So here we are in a pissing match anyway....BOOOoooooring.

Beach Farmer


Sorry, sir. The only one with their pecker out is you.

tc08105


You do realize that you are calling me "Sir" and mentioning my pecker in the same sentence?? I mean I'm not here to judge, I'm just say'in.... Maybe a salute is called for here? I feel funny inside....


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And the people of Knotts Island would not like it either. It is truly a remarkable place.

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ezbuckwheat


My family has home on Knots Island that we just finished restoring. Great little place however it is not a vacation destination. There is one long causeway in and out of that little town. It would be a nightmare traffic scenario.

Beach Farmer


Yes, I know it well. There are a lot of remarkable places on the Currituck Sound. My proposal was not serious. Perhaps I will go and visit Aydlett, NC soon. An absolutely beautiful sound front little community. Who ever thought something like this would happen to a place like that?


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And the people of Knotts Island would not like it either. It is truly a remarkable place.

Click to follow link...

ezbuckwheat


My family has home on Knots Island that we just finished restoring. Great little place however it is not a vacation destination. There is one long causeway in and out of that little town. It would be a nightmare traffic scenario.

Beach Farmer


Yes, I know it well. There are a lot of remarkable places on the Currituck Sound. My proposal was not serious. Perhaps I will go and visit Aydlett, NC soon. An absolutely beautiful sound front little community. Who ever thought something like this would happen to a place like that?

ezbuckwheat


It IS however a good sneaky way off the sand out the Carova Beach Park ramp if you have a little 10hp motor on a little pontoon boat and a parking spot close by on KI.


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Of all the jewels on the western bank of the Currituck Sound, Waterlilly, NC might be the most remarkably beautiful. Another suberb of Coinjock, it is slightly north of Aydlett. Just turn East at the southern foot of the Coinjock Bridge, and with the ICW on your left turn left at the end of the road. On the way out stop and eat at the Coinjock Marina, a local favorite


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Of all the jewels on the western bank of the Currituck Sound, Waterlilly, NC might be the most remarkably beautiful. Another suberb of Coinjock, it is slightly north of Aydlett. Just turn East at the southern foot of the Coinjock Bridge, and with the ICW on your left turn left at the end of the road. On the way out stop and eat at the Coinjock Marina, a local favorite

ezbuckwheat


I'm glad to hear about some of these tiny villages that you guys are referring to. Whenever we come to the OBX that way...via 460...we are in awe of some of the homes on the sound. Just beautiful. We really do need to stop and check out the area further. My FIL fished in Coinjock many years with buddies way back when (he would be 107 now if he were still with us) and just loved it. Huge fisherman. Thank you for telling me more about it!


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Maybe it's' time for a 4 lane HW from Sandbridge straight down to Southern Shore ! That would clear up a lot of traffic !


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Late to this but I think that the vacationers in Corolla will pay $25 each way. You don't rent a house that costs $10,000+ a week and cheap out on a $25 toll!! It's a drop in the bucket when paying that price for a week.

I'm in Duck and would likely pay that to cut time off my drive home. $25 for a car full of people to cut what could be an hour off? Yeah, we just won't stop at Starbucks or CFA on the way home, pack sandwiches and call it even.

Does anyone know will the toll be flexible - ie, different prices different times of the year? I don't often travel on peak travel days since it's our own place I travel at off days/times.

groovygirl222


I've said it here before... I can see both sides of the argument and not really sure where I stand. However, if a bridge were built that allowed me to knock off an hour + of travel time, I'd gladly pay $25 or more.


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"I'm wondering if they are planning on giving a break to Corolla permanent residents on the toll?"

I'm sure there is no definitive answer now, and won't be for some time.

However, at the meeting at the Duck Woods Country Club three or so years ago, NCDOT was emphatic that there would be a discount for locals. They are of course very familiar with the discount offered on the Chesapeake Expressway, available to anyone with a VA-issued E-ZPass and said it would work much like that. They also said, however, that they were considering tolling only on the mainland side, and that the trip back to the mainland would be free. See the GW and the Tappan Zee Bridges in the NYC area.

Probably would be all electronic tolling with billing by mail for those without a transponder.

I would also expect that to get the discount there would be some initial charge to the transponder that would be higher than the cost of just a few trips. That forces the tourists to pay full freight, again like the Chesapeake Expressway.


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"I'm wondering if they are planning on giving a break to Corolla permanent residents on the toll?"

I'm sure there is no definitive answer now, and won't be for some time.

However, at the meeting at the Duck Woods Country Club three or so years ago, NCDOT was emphatic that there would be a discount for locals. They are of course very familiar with the discount offered on the Chesapeake Expressway, available to anyone with a VA-issued E-ZPass and said it would work much like that. They also said, however, that they were considering tolling only on the mainland side, and that the trip back to the mainland would be free. See the GW and the Tappan Zee Bridges in the NYC area.

Probably would be all electronic tolling with billing by mail for those without a transponder.

I would also expect that to get the discount there would be some initial charge to the transponder that would be higher than the cost of just a few trips. That forces the tourists to pay full freight, again like the Chesapeake Expressway.

NightOwl


Thanks Night Owl!


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"I'm wondering if they are planning on giving a break to Corolla permanent residents on the toll?"

I'm sure there is no definitive answer now, and won't be for some time.

However, at the meeting at the Duck Woods Country Club three or so years ago, NCDOT was emphatic that there would be a discount for locals. They are of course very familiar with the discount offered on the Chesapeake Expressway, available to anyone with a VA-issued E-ZPass and said it would work much like that. They also said, however, that they were considering tolling only on the mainland side, and that the trip back to the mainland would be free. See the GW and the Tappan Zee Bridges in the NYC area.

Probably would be all electronic tolling with billing by mail for those without a transponder.

I would also expect that to get the discount there would be some initial charge to the transponder that would be higher than the cost of just a few trips. That forces the tourists to pay full freight, again like the Chesapeake Expressway.

NightOwl


Thanks Night Owl!

Beach Farmer


Also thanks, Night Owl.

The finding for the Chesapeake Expressway, I believe involved VA state funding and the floating of a bond. In other words, no federal funding. Therefore, they may be free to offer the locals a discount, EZ Pass not withstanding.

The question is if the Mid Currituck bridge will be 100 percent state and local funding. If federal dollars are involved, that option may certainly be off the table.

Just food for thought.


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Ha!
It only costs to LEAVE jersey. And believe me every time I shell out the $5 to get across the bridge I’m happy to do it just to get out. It’s free to get back in. ‘Cause who really wants to PAY to go to nj?

LollyGirl


Just curious LollyGirl why you feel that way. Have a bad experience?


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I'm in Southern Shores and think this is great news, but i really can't find information on next steps and timelines. I know they still have to finalize funding, and I think there is still some permits and land purchases. I heard this should be completed in 2024 and construction targeted to start in 2025, but i really cant find any "True" details. The NCDOT site has not been updated. Are they going to be meeting on this?


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Ha!
It only costs to LEAVE jersey. And believe me every time I shell out the $5 to get across the bridge I’m happy to do it just to get out. It’s free to get back in. ‘Cause who really wants to PAY to go to nj?

LollyGirl


Just curious LollyGirl why you feel that way. Have a bad experience?

Robert


Yes, LollyGirl. What is the thought process?


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I'm in Southern Shores and think this is great news, but i really can't find information on next steps and timelines. I know they still have to finalize funding, and I think there is still some permits and land purchases. I heard this should be completed in 2024 and construction targeted to start in 2025, but i really cant find any "True" details. The NCDOT site has not been updated. Are they going to be meeting on this?

Wowed777


The land on the beach side is already secured and I am quite sure the land on the mainland has been acquired also.


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I see the future northern OBX bridge having more twists and turns - moneywise - than our local bridge and 10-mile roadway. And constantly increasing tolls, too.

From Richmond, the tale of how a good bridge went bad (financially). It's a great story of state/private funding, loans - one for $300 million, more funding, bankruptcy, a sale, etc. An Australian company bought the rights to run it, now we have a Spanish company running it since 2016.

The story of the Pocahontas/895 bridge over the James River, just off I-95 south of downtown. (Fun Fact: If you are traveling south on I-95 there is no exit to the east - to Varina and Richmond airport. But they saved some money.)

www.virginiaplaces.org/transportation/pocaparkway.html

You've seen it if you've ever driven through Richmond on I-95.

The toll is $5.20 each way. It hasn't always been that high.








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"Public/private partnerships are all the rage in highway construction theses days."

So true. That formula has worked many times. Not always, though.

Who can forget this fiasco?. The Commonwealth of Virginia lost a fortune with this partnership with not even a paved driveway to show for it. Tens of millions billed monthly for design work that was never completed.

It ended so badly that American Infrastructure changed their name.

Click to follow link...


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"Public/private partnerships are all the rage in highway construction theses days."

So true. That formula has worked many times. Not always, though.

Who can forget this fiasco?. The Commonwealth of Virginia lost a fortune with this partnership with not even a paved driveway to show for it. Tens of millions billed monthly for design work that was never completed.

It ended so badly that American Infrastructure changed their name.

Click to follow link...

tc08105


I'm shocked that VDOT let them get away with billing for work when there was no equipment on site. And then FAM (Farovial Alan Myers JV) was awarded the recently completed I-66 expansion project from Manassas to 495. Just change your name and move on. American Infrastructure become Alan Myers (Did I mention that I hate those guys?)


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Hasn't the present Administration made tons of money available for projects just like this as long as they meet DEI standards ?


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Hasn't the present Administration made tons of money available for projects just like this as long as they meet DEI standards ?

izzymcgee


Not that we've seen. You remember the shovel ready jobs? There's nothing shovel ready in heavy highway/bridge construction except mill and overlay projects. Highways and bridges take years of planning.


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Hasn't the present Administration made tons of money available for projects just like this as long as they meet DEI standards ?

izzymcgee


Have funds been made available? Yes.

For projects like this? No.

There's a lot more work that would need to happen before any entity would find this a viable, fundable project.




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"Public/private partnerships are all the rage in highway construction theses days."

So true. That formula has worked many times. Not always, though.

Who can forget this fiasco?. The Commonwealth of Virginia lost a fortune with this partnership with not even a paved driveway to show for it. Tens of millions billed monthly for design work that was never completed.

It ended so badly that American Infrastructure changed their name.

Click to follow link...

tc08105


I'm shocked that VDOT let them get away with billing for work when there was no equipment on site. And then FAM (Farovial Alan Myers JV) was awarded the recently completed I-66 expansion project from Manassas to 495. Just change your name and move on. American Infrastructure become Alan Myers (Did I mention that I hate those guys?)

Squid Pro Quo


Get in line. A lot of people share your sentiment.

I live 10 minutes from their home office in Worchester. A revolving door company. Like a cult. A lot of people here hate them as well.


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A lengthy history of the VA Rt. 460 disasters.

www.virginiabusiness.com/article/dead-end-for-the-new-route-460/


Are they even still talking about building an 8-lane road from Petersburg to Suffolk? Would they really pay to move every business on both sides of 460 if they are forced to do a widening for 55 miles instead of a parallel new road?

I think they'd have more luck getting the permits to build a bridge from Sandbridge down the beach to Corolla.




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Hasn't the present Administration made tons of money available for projects just like this as long as they meet DEI standards ?

izzymcgee


Not that we've seen. You remember the shovel ready jobs? There's nothing shovel ready in heavy highway/bridge construction except mill and overlay projects. Highways and bridges take years of planning.

Squid Pro Quo


Mill and overlay are maintenance projects. PennDOT is letting very little construction projects the last several years.


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Are they even still talking about building an 8-lane road from Petersburg to Suffolk? Would they really pay to move every business on both sides of 460 if they are forced to do a widening for 55 miles instead of a parallel new road?

johnbt


My understanding of the last viable plan put forth in Richmond about 4 administrations ago agreed with your concerns. It was supposedly to leave 460 in place undisturbed and build the much wider road to the north or south with only exits for the little towns on 460.

But that was at the end of the McDonnell administration, and nothing became of it subsequently.

460 is a very civilized meander through peanut country. As long as you don't drive more than 5 mph over the speed limit, the local police won't bother you. As it now stands, I'm not sure a faster, wider road is much of a priority, particularly since the construction on I-64 that has really reduced the blockages there.


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I often use 460 to avoid the traffic I64/I664/Chesapeake Expressway. It is an older design road with no median, with high speed traffic. I stay in the right lane unless passing.

With all the little towns along the way it is impractical to widen it. It is what it is.


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