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The mistake all PMs in the Outer Banks have made is not paying someone adequately to expertly handle and triage the calls and dispose of the nuisance calls. The triaging is all about pacing and sorting, but the nuisance calls are pure finesse and skill. "So, Ma'am, what I hear you saying is that you find the homeowner's design choices not to your liking? We'll make a note on your account."

They whine because they've been enabled, and they trash homes or leave them filthy because they think owners are wealthy and worse, they don't care if they ruin the next guest's vacation. PMs fed this monster by doing away with security deposits. That's the biggest reason what used to be shoulder season is either much more costly or just not available.

I hate that the bad ruin it for the masses. I go above and beyond for my guests, but I don't tolerate that complaining for sport nonsense, and if you talk to my team or my neighbors the way some of these people talk to the person answering the phone at the PMs, you'll quickly find how unacceptable that is. Martini Glass


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We once had a guest demanding a full refund because the two lamps in the master bedroom did not match. No lie.

jessicaboyd


Years ago I used to post funny stories from our maintenance department techs. One I posted here many years ago and I bet that some still remember. Maint guy goes to house on a toilet problem call. When he got there he asked the renter what was the problem. He was told that one of the 5 toilets filled 45 seconds longer than that others. Serious smiley Confused smiley


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It's a generational change and one that is recent. You have absolute imbeciles who feel entitled to everything. I predict calls for changing the toilet paper will be the norm soon.


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We once had a guest demanding a full refund because the two lamps in the master bedroom did not match. No lie.

jessicaboyd


Years ago I used to post funny stories from our maintenance department techs. One I posted here many years ago and I bet that some still remember. Maint guy goes to house on a toilet problem call. When he got there he asked the renter what was the problem. He was told that one of the 5 toilets filled 45 seconds longer than that others. Serious smiley Confused smiley

Tim-OBX


Hahaha good one! Love that he sat there and timed toilet flushes. On vacation.


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The mistake all PMs in the Outer Banks have made is not paying someone adequately to expertly handle and triage the calls and dispose of the nuisance calls. The triaging is all about pacing and sorting, but the nuisance calls are pure finesse and skill. "So, Ma'am, what I hear you saying is that you find the homeowner's design choices not to your liking? We'll make a note on your account."

That's the best idea I have heard yet on this issue. Find someone with facility maintenance skills and good customer service with mega notes beside the phone to address calls. Someone with common sense too.


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Speaking from a lowly renters POV, when you rule out Vacasa, it's slim pickings.

Edited to add: I've not given up yet. smiley


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The mistake all PMs in the Outer Banks have made is not paying someone adequately to expertly handle and triage the calls and dispose of the nuisance calls. The triaging is all about pacing and sorting, but the nuisance calls are pure finesse and skill. "So, Ma'am, what I hear you saying is that you find the homeowner's design choices not to your liking? We'll make a note on your account."

That's the best idea I have heard yet on this issue. Find someone with facility maintenance skills and good customer service with mega notes beside the phone to address calls. Someone with common sense too.

Bentmtn


Yes, that’s what we did, and we did it well. That’s exactly how we responded to the idiotic complaints in between constant calls from vendors, other departments, psychotic, entitled guests, major maintenance issues that were actually important, like a septic tank overflowing, a ceiling caving in, or phone calls from some really horrible, entitled, nut job homeowners.

Those who have never worked in this industry before have no clue what it’s actually like. I only took that job (and huge pay cut) to be able to move here. I will never work in such a thankless, abusive workplace like that again. However, I’m glad I was able to meet some really wonderful coworkers, vendors, nice owners, and nice guests, as well. I did have some good times there, too!


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The mistake all PMs in the Outer Banks have made is not paying someone adequately to expertly handle and triage the calls and dispose of the nuisance calls. The triaging is all about pacing and sorting, but the nuisance calls are pure finesse and skill. "So, Ma'am, what I hear you saying is that you find the homeowner's design choices not to your liking? We'll make a note on your account."

That's the best idea I have heard yet on this issue. Find someone with facility maintenance skills and good customer service with mega notes beside the phone to address calls. Someone with common sense too.

Bentmtn


Yes, we knew how to do our job, and did it well. That’s exactly how we responded to the idiotic complaints in between constant calls from vendors, other departments, psychotic, entitled guests, major maintenance issues that were actually important, like a septic tank overflowing, a ceiling caving in, or phone calls from some really horrible, entitled, nut job homeowners.

Those who have never worked in this industry before have no clue what it’s actually like. I only took that job (and huge pay cut) to be able to move here. I will never work in such a thankless, abusive workplace like that again. However, I’m glad I was able to meet some really wonderful coworkers, vendors, nice owners, and nice guests, as well. I did have some good times there, too!

jessicaboyd


I worked in property management straight out of college for five years. My first job as a divisional property manager for 18 apt complexes. That was before cell phones and I wore a pager that was constantly going off. I dealt with roaches, floods, section 8 properties, and evictions just to name a few of the high spots. I put in 18 hour days and dealt with so many idiots. This was in the early 80s when there were no jobs to be had and mortgage interest was 16%. I stayed there as there was nothing else. When I think back on it, I learned so much and wouldn't trade it for anything now. My boss at the time....a terror whom everyone hated, would have fired us on the spot if we walked past a weed on a property and didn't drop down to dig it up if she viewed it while walking the grounds with us. To this day, I cannot walk past a weed without bending over to grab it by the roots. And like you, I have lifelong friends from that organization.

Edit: we are all Monday morning quarterbacks...whatever that saying is in regard to the situation with rentals at the OBX. You're correct in that the crew worked hard and did their stuff. I know that you worked tirelessly with what you were provided and learned so much. I was ecstatic when I got out of that game as well.


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Speaking from a lowly renters POV, when you rule out Vacasa, it's slim pickings.

Edited to add: I've not given up yet. smiley

Lisa M


Really? Maybe it depends on the week you're looking. We have our September 23rd week booked in Salvo already, but in looking for that week, Vacasa has 83 homes in the Tri Villages available. Surf or Sound has 145, and Midgett has 66.


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I call BS, My company just jet 40 people go. All workers but they kept the ones who sit in offices and tell the workers what to do. Too many coaches and not enough players anymore


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We once had a guest demanding a full refund because the two lamps in the master bedroom did not match. No lie.

jessicaboyd


Years ago I used to post funny stories from our maintenance department techs. One I posted here many years ago and I bet that some still remember. Maint guy goes to house on a toilet problem call. When he got there he asked the renter what was the problem. He was told that one of the 5 toilets filled 45 seconds longer than that others. Serious smiley Confused smiley

Tim-OBX


Good reminder why you never dispatch anyone without a detailed description (and asking if there is any other issue needing to be checked).

The lamp one made me laugh. It comes up again and again strangely, and it always reminds me of the best answer, from a long time owner who said "We're owned since the 1950s, but we don't decorate like it's mid-century. We totally understand if you don't like our taste and book elsewhere next year." Laughing smiley


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We once had a guest demanding a full refund because the two lamps in the master bedroom did not match. No lie.

jessicaboyd


Years ago I used to post funny stories from our maintenance department techs. One I posted here many years ago and I bet that some still remember. Maint guy goes to house on a toilet problem call. When he got there he asked the renter what was the problem. He was told that one of the 5 toilets filled 45 seconds longer than that others. Serious smiley Confused smiley

Tim-OBX


Good reminder why you never dispatch anyone without a detailed description (and asking if there is any other issue needing to be checked).

The lamp one made me laugh. It comes up again and again strangely, and it always reminds me of the best answer, from a long time owner who said "We're owned since the 1950s, but we don't decorate like it's mid-century. We totally understand if you don't like our taste and book elsewhere next year." Laughing smiley

KDHBreeze


Except people lie, and techs find out when they arrive. Last year, I sent a tech to a house in Avon, because the guest said one of the showers was completely clogged, wouldn’t drain. Our tech arrived to find a tub full of puke and water. He began plunging with no luck, then ended up sticking his bare hand in that mess. Meanwhile, he heard the guests just outside the bathroom laughing.

A couple years ago, one of our techs went to a “outside toilet by the pool not flushing” call guests made after checking out that day. When he arrived, he found someone had climbed up and took a huge dump in the tank. Not the bowl; the tank.


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Beach, I am looking to rent a place in the 4x4 area ! Maybe we can work something out !

izzymcgee


YOU are a piece of work my friend....


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I never knew there was an epidemic of stupid entitlement by people with enough money to spend a week at the beach. But I have been retired for 10 years.

"You wouldn’t believe some of the things people would call in about, or how many people use the word, “unacceptable” when whining over the smallest things."

HA !!! I know "unacceptable." Yes, I do believe it. I've been watching Karen and Kevin videos on youtube this week. You know the ones, Karen mouths off to the cashier and asks for the manager. Kevin mouths off to the police and demands a supervisor. And my favorite, mouthing off to the judge at sentencing.

And yes, I'm one of those people who drags a toolbox with me everywhere I go. Fixing something that's loose is faster than calling the office.

johnbt


See if I caught an old school guest repairing something that I missed with his own tool-box that would definitely threaten my manhood. lol I would have to give him a free weekend or something to hide the shame. Theeth smiley


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I never knew there was an epidemic of stupid entitlement by people with enough money to spend a week at the beach. But I have been retired for 10 years.

"You wouldn’t believe some of the things people would call in about, or how many people use the word, “unacceptable” when whining over the smallest things."

HA !!! I know "unacceptable." Yes, I do believe it. I've been watching Karen and Kevin videos on youtube this week. You know the ones, Karen mouths off to the cashier and asks for the manager. Kevin mouths off to the police and demands a supervisor. And my favorite, mouthing off to the judge at sentencing.

And yes, I'm one of those people who drags a toolbox with me everywhere I go. Fixing something that's loose is faster than calling the office.

johnbt


Another favorite word that made us all roll our eyes was “Appalled.” Everyone was appalled, and found everything unacceptable. I used to tell my coworkers we could have a drinking game, doing shots every time we heard one of those words.

My boyfriend, who was a tech there before retiring, used to love that word. When some snooty guest would call in over something so small and petty, he would ask me, “We’re they appalled?” Haha

I always said some people just don’t know how to vacation. I know someone said it’s a generational thing, trust me, it’s all ages.

The grouchy old farts were always the ones screaming about the tv not working. You’d try to troubleshoot over the phone, but they couldn’t figure out the remote, and would cuss us out, demanding we send someone.

Then, the post-season crowd would show up, whom I called the “note-takers”, “the cheap crowd,” or the “white glove inspectors.” They would literally check into the house, and immediately inspect every crevice, and provide us with a handwritten list of things they found wrong, then demand a refund. One lady gave me a list, and one of the items she found was a “small spot of rust on the side of the fridge.” What fun they must have on an island vacation.



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Except people lie, and techs find out when they arrive. Last year, I sent a tech to a house in Avon, because the guest said one of the showers was completely clogged, wouldn’t drain. Our tech arrived to find a tub full of puke and water. He began plunging with no luck, then ended up sticking his bare hand in that mess. Meanwhile, he heard the guests just outside the bathroom laughing.

A couple years ago, one of our techs went to a “outside toilet by the pool not flushing” call guests made after checking out that day. When he arrived, he found someone had climbed up and took a huge dump in the tank. Not the bowl; the tank.

jessicaboyd


Oh, you expect some to lie. You just want them to lie in advance and for that to be documented.

The problem isn't that guests lie, but that PMs are so commonly operationally deficient in their execution of triage and service. You need the documented reason and the report back from your tech or vendor that either confirms what the guest indicated, in which case the owner is billed, or to confirm it's guest negligence and their bill.

That does require a security deposit or an adequate security hold and/or processing a damage claim through insurance. PMs here having phased out those protections no only allowed for these complaints to flourish, they actively recruited the bad guests to these owner's homes.

It turned out that what started as a Hail Mary to bring in business and maintain income for the owner and PM ended up costing owners in damage, PMs in throusands of wasted personnel hours, and renters in damaged homes for their vacation. It's also why so many owners self manage now, and why new owners buying are 4 times as likely to self manage as they were 20 years ago.

The problem with doing away with deposits is that it's a genie you can't put back in the bottle without entirely dumping most current customers in order to attract a different customer base. That's a lot of work, and a scary starting over point, and one that in this case also coincided with the rise of Airbnb and the growth of VRBO.


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At least with VRBO, both owners and guests can comment about each other and give each other a rating. That's the way it should work IMHO so that guests can avoid bad rentals and owners can avoid bad renters.


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At least with VRBO, both owners and guests can comment about each other and give each other a rating. That's the way it should work IMHO so that guests can avoid bad rentals and owners can avoid bad renters.

Greg MD


Guests can comment. Owners can only rate in stars.

Airbnb has star rating and blind comments for both.


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Oh, you expect some to lie. You just want them to lie in advance and for that to be documented.

The problem isn't that guests lie, but that PMs are so commonly operationally deficient in their execution of triage and service. You need the documented reason and the report back from your tech or vendor that either confirms what the guest indicated, in which case the owner is billed, or to confirm it's guest negligence and their bill.


But that’s what we did. We documented the reason and the report back from the tech or vendor, and did not bill the owner for nonsense. The problem was that, like you said, we stopped the security deposits. That’s when things got much worse.




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I never knew there was an epidemic of stupid entitlement by people with enough money to spend a week at the beach. But I have been retired for 10 years.

"You wouldn’t believe some of the things people would call in about, or how many people use the word, “unacceptable” when whining over the smallest things."

HA !!! I know "unacceptable." Yes, I do believe it. I've been watching Karen and Kevin videos on youtube this week. You know the ones, Karen mouths off to the cashier and asks for the manager. Kevin mouths off to the police and demands a supervisor. And my favorite, mouthing off to the judge at sentencing.

And yes, I'm one of those people who drags a toolbox with me everywhere I go. Fixing something that's loose is faster than calling the office.

johnbt


Another favorite word that made us all roll our eyes was “Appalled.” Everyone was appalled, and found everything unacceptable. I used to tell my coworkers we could have a drinking game, doing shots every time we heard one of those words.

My boyfriend, who was a tech there before retiring, used to love that word. When some snooty guest would call in over something so small and petty, he would ask me, “We’re they appalled?” Haha

I always said some people just don’t know how to vacation. I know someone said it’s a generational thing, trust me, it’s all ages.

The grouchy old farts were always the ones screaming about the tv not working. You’d try to troubleshoot over the phone, but they couldn’t figure out the remote, and would cuss us out, demanding we send someone.

Then, the post-season crowd would show up, whom I called the “note-takers”, “the cheap crowd,” or the “white glove inspectors.” They would literally check into the house, and immediately inspect every crevice, and provide us with a handwritten list of things they found wrong, then demand a refund. One lady gave me a list, and one of the items she found was a “small spot of rust on the side of the fridge.” What fun they must have on an island vacation.

jessicaboyd



You have got to write a book! Your stories are wild! I cannot believe the nerve of some people.

Keep these stories coming!!!


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Beach, I am looking to rent a place in the 4x4 area ! Maybe we can work something out !

izzymcgee


That ' s one of the funniest posts I ' ve ever read !


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I stand corrected about VRBO and allowing owners comments regarding guests. Maybe that was allowed when it was HomeAway, I used HA too for about 5 years before it became part of VRBO.

VRBO states that...

"Guests are rated from one to five stars on their overall experience, cleanliness, communication and adherence to house rules."

Still, it's a significant plus for owners and they could inquire further directly with another previous owner about the rating given to a guest.




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I stand corrected about VRBO and allowing owners comments regarding guests. Maybe that was allowed when it was HomeAway, I used HA too for about 5 years before it became part of VRBO.

VRBO states that...

"Guests are rated from one to five stars on their overall experience, cleanliness, communication and adherence to house rules."

Still, it's a significant plus for owners and they could inquire further directly with another previous owner about the rating given to a guest.

Greg MD


They can. The tricky part sometimes is tracking down the owners since you cannot contact them through either platform.


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You have got to write a book! Your stories are wild! I cannot believe the nerve of some people.

Keep these stories coming!!!

Bentmtn


Haha my coworkers used to say we needed to write all of the craziest ones down, and put them in a box for us to read at the end of the year.

I did start a word doc with a few of them a couple years ago, but kept forgetting to add to it, or it was just too chaotic in there to do it. I still have a profanity-laced voicemail a drunk guest left for us one night, after hours. I emailed it to myself! Lol!


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All I can say is I am glad to be with Brindley Beach (formerly Shore Details) and that I talked my husband into leaving Vacasa last week. He literally gave notice 3 hours before the "your out" emails started coming in. I am already liking what I am seeing with Brindley Beach. They are obviously bigger than SD but still have the same totally local feel.


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