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That will really hurt the employees and the renters IMO. When we were in Frisco two weeks ago, the renters next door were having probs with their water and could not get this company out to check it out. The owner whom we are friends with called hubby and hubby went over to help and switched off outside shower hot line which was the problem. The hot water had been running for two days as there was a crack in the line. Got them set up okay for the night. (Honeymoon couple!!!) If this company cannot handle during January, I hate to see what July will bring.

Sounds like they are jumping on the lay off band wagon.

Bentmtn


That's not an issue of lack of PM employee resources, but more an overall lack of service personnel south of the Basnight more acutely than north of it. I'd like to say it would be different with a different PM, but even elsewhere owners rely on what PMs can obtain rather than pay for service contracts for things like plumbing, electrical, and HVAC, so they're always in line behind those of us who are proactive.


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Some news on Vacasa:

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And another:

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Vacasa's stock tanked and has stayed tanked.

Not seeing it from an owner's standpoint, but ....

SteveWolf


Oh, I understand; however, cutting 20+ employees, many of whom had been there 20+ years, isn't going to be good for business either, which is also bad for owners. They were already understaffed on the Operations side. It's going to be a cluster**** this season.

jessicaboyd
. It might be a good opportunity for those that were laid off to start their own Maintenance Company to fill the void !!

Md.Chas


I spend the season on Carova watching my own AB&B on the first floor of my place and I had the idea last year of maybe advertising as a handy man / change-over /night watchman guy for other rentals. Since I'm there all the time with nothing to do anyway...Downturns are opportunities if you look on the bright side!


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at this point, no offense to anyone on the OBX but Im so glad we went the VRBO route and a condo in Florida that is more reasonable. Yes I think about what those renters are going to face with no body at the office. Dont have a big 4 WD to go on the beach this year either.


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Rob Greyber's corporate goals seem to leave out one very important ingredient - service for their customers, guests, the folks who rent their portfolio of homes. Corporate greed, no amount of profit is ever enough.


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Vacasa's stock tanked and has stayed tanked.

Not seeing it from an owner's standpoint, but ....

SteveWolf


Oh, I understand; however, cutting 20+ employees, many of whom had been there 20+ years, isn't going to be good for business either, which is also bad for owners. They were already understaffed on the Operations side. It's going to be a cluster**** this season.

jessicaboyd

I feel for those let go. In my case I had almost 25 years with my employer. I was rehired. I truly believe if I didn't have a family I would have done something incredibly stupid I was that ANGRY.

I was told "it is not personal". To me it was very personal. The end of the world as I knew it. Then.


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Rob Greyber's corporate goals seem to leave out one very important ingredient - service for their customers, guests, the folks who rent their portfolio of homes. Corporate greed, no amount of profit is ever enough.

xobx


They have no idea how many calls, emails, and tickets are entered all day, every day. There’s no concept of how swamped housekeeping and maintenance is. These guests call every single little thing in constantly. One call after another. For 800 houses. A couple of coordinators and a gutted maintenance staff cannot physically handle the kind of volume they have during the season. It’s impossible.

As far as handymen/outside maintenance vendors, owner permission is required anytime an outside vendor is called. Owners do not always answer, and many owners refuse permission for vendors or anyone even entering their home to fix anything, so guests get upset, and write their little reviews about how much Vacasa sucks, etc.


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I was told "it is not personal". To me it was very personal. The end of the world as I knew it. Then.

NCSU Dad


That’s the worst. Such a flippant, dismissive thing to say to someone who is very much personally affected by the decision.


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I mean....you're paying over 20 percent for the service.

Bentmtn


20%, I have heard that commissions down there can run up that high, or higher. An owner should expect a lot if paying that much.


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Thank you Jessica and Bent Mtn. We had just booked soundfront in Frisco for June. I just cancelled. We were on the fence about renting from them anyway. If anyone knows of a Buxton or Frisco soundfront home available the first or second week of June, let me know. We are only 3 adults, no pets.

PS-Hello to Bent Mtn! We live in same area. : )

*Formerly Glamazon. I couldn't get into my account.

Lisa M

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I mean....you're paying over 20 percent for the service.

Bentmtn


20%, I have heard that commissions down there can run up that high, or higher. An owner should expect a lot if paying that much.

Tim-OBX


I understood that Vacasa fees are often mid 20's (and higher) in certain markets/for certain properties. And, according to disclosure docs, the layoffs primarily focused on the BD/Sales; the peddlers of the biz, vs the ops/boots on the ground folks. Moreover, short term they plan to focus more on right sizing existing portfolios vs acquiring new.

Regardless, they made a classic mistake in OBX....know your market, your competition, understand it's intricacies. A full on SWOT, during discovery, of the OBX target bizs would have revealed that while there are peddlers galore, "service boots on the ground"? Not so much.


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I am going back and forth right now with our neighbor who was with Hatteras Realty and was bought out by Vacasa. They are beyond disappointed on how vacasa has (mis)managed their home and are leaving their program.


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Thank you Jessica and Bent Mtn. We had just booked soundfront in Frisco for June. I just cancelled. We were on the fence about renting from them anyway. If anyone knows of a Buxton or Frisco soundfront home available the first or second week of June, let me know. We are only 3 adults, no pets.

PS-Hello to Bent Mtn! We live in same area. : )

*Formerly Glamazon. I couldn't get into my account.

Lisa M




Hello to you and good luck with your search! I am sure you'll find something nice.


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"There’s no concept of how swamped housekeeping and maintenance is. These guests call every single little thing in constantly."

I'm surprised. Okay, not surprised. But I am surprised. I don't want to spend any part of my vacation calling an office or grocery shopping for that matter.

I've been renting up and down the Outer Banks since the '70s .

Okay, thinking hard here. I've talked to 'the office' twice. The first time was at the Cavalier by the Sea when I dropped the coffee pot in one of the efficiencies. They gave me another one - no charge.

The second time was after a long day on the beach at Ocracoke and we got back to the cottage to find the electricity off.
Yes, that day. I called the office to see if we had to leave the next morning. We had water, beer, wine and lots of food and ice. Yes, we did and caught the morning ferry to Swan Quarter - we were the second vehicle in the standby line. But I didn't feel too good all day after finishing off the ice cream in the freezer.

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If you haven't followed VACASA stock, it started just above $10 in 2021 and is now at $1.68

But it was as low as $1.08.

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"There’s no concept of how swamped housekeeping and maintenance is. These guests call every single little thing in constantly."

I'm surprised. Okay, not surprised. But I am surprised. I don't want to spend any part of my vacation calling an office or grocery shopping for that matter.

I've been renting up and down the Outer Banks since the '70s .

Okay, thinking hard here. I've talked to 'the office' twice. The first time was at the Cavalier by the Sea when I dropped the coffee pot in one of the efficiencies. They gave me another one - no charge.

The second time was after a long day on the beach at Ocracoke and we got back to the cottage to find the electricity off.
Yes, that day. I called the office to see if we had to leave the next morning. We had water, beer, wine and lots of food and ice. Yes, we did and caught the morning ferry to Swan Quarter - we were the second vehicle in the standby line. But I didn't feel too good all day after finishing off the ice cream in the freezer.

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If you haven't followed VACASA stock, it started just above $10 in 2021 and is now at $1.68

But it was as low as $1.08.

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johnbt


A LOT of the guest families of renting age at this point have little experience renting prior to the late 2000s. Sure, there are long time renters, but almost 15 years on from the real estate bubble that decimated resident homeowners and second home owners, put them underwater, and then buried them in a decade of losses a large segment of renters is acclimated to an artificially suppressed market and a LOT of amenities, and to getting monetary compensation for a variety of issues long timers wouldn't call about.

The long timers would note a loose door knob and tighten it and maybe let someone know they did. The later crowd will call the office, expect an emergency call out, find 5 more small things and expect a same day fix and monetary compensation. In an effort to attract renters, any renters you end up with renters youre better off without - and those only get worse with time.


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Sorry to hear this. I wish the employees that were laid off could get together and use their talents to service NRPO on Hatteras. We could use folks to keep an eye on our places, do maintenance, clean, etc. Best of luck to all.


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The phone rang all day. The emails poured in every minute of every day with new maintenance tickets during peak season. Due to poor management, I worked every weekend during peak season all alone my last two years there. Weekends, meaning turn days, which are the busiest days, because we were trying to get in and out of so many houses between guests.

You wouldn’t believe some of the things people would call in about, or how many people use the word, “unacceptable” when whining over the smallest things.

We once had a guest demanding a full refund because the two lamps in the master bedroom did not match. No lie.

We’ve had guests crap on beds and leave it.

I talked to one lady who was furious because one of the 16 TVs stopped working in the house. People always claiming the pool heat isn’t working when it’s 90 degrees outside.

One guest demanded we come pick up the seashells that were in the yard. Another guest demanded we come pick up sand spurs. On and on.


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The phone rang all day. The emails poured in every minute of every day with new maintenance tickets during peak season. Due to poor management, I worked every weekend during peak season all alone my last two years there. Weekends, meaning turn days, which are the busiest days, because we were trying to get in and out of so many houses between guests.

You wouldn’t believe some of the things people would call in about, or how many people use the word, “unacceptable” when whining over the smallest things.

We once had a guest demanding a full refund because the two lamps in the master bedroom did not match. No lie.

We’ve had guests crap on beds and leave it.

I talked to one lady who was furious because one of the 16 TVs stopped working in the house. People always claiming the pool heat isn’t working when it’s 90 degrees outside.

One guest demanded we come pick up the seashells that were in the yard. Another guest demanded we come pick up sand spurs. On and on.

jessicaboyd


Oh, wow! I am so glad that you have changed careers. What a nightmare. Talk about high maintenance. Unbelievable!


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The phone rang all day. The emails poured in every minute of every day with new maintenance tickets during peak season. Due to poor management, I worked every weekend during peak season all alone my last two years there. Weekends, meaning turn days, which are the busiest days, because we were trying to get in and out of so many houses between guests.

You wouldn’t believe some of the things people would call in about, or how many people use the word, “unacceptable” when whining over the smallest things.

We once had a guest demanding a full refund because the two lamps in the master bedroom did not match. No lie.

We’ve had guests crap on beds and leave it.

I talked to one lady who was furious because one of the 16 TVs stopped working in the house. People always claiming the pool heat isn’t working when it’s 90 degrees outside.

One guest demanded we come pick up the seashells that were in the yard. Another guest demanded we come pick up sand spurs. On and on.

jessicaboyd


Thats what I like about managing my own property. I have it CLEARLY stated in property description that I while I will do everything in my power to respond to requests and solve issues I WILL NOT put up with Bullsh1t complaints about picayune crap. I do everything I can to discourage people from renting my house by listing every single thing they might not like about it first and foremost. I even exaggerate it! I tell prospective renters that 'I do not need to rent my place" and if they have a problem with any of the Items listed DO NOT RENT MY HOUSE! ...Still, I have a 4.9 rating, I'm a Superhost and have lots of happy customers because I do actually treat them well. I just won't tolerate rude people.


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Beach Farmer, I loved your post. It reminds me of the Soup Nazi. Straight to the point, like it or leave, and it actually draws customers in! Haha


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Beach Farmer, I loved your post. It reminds me of the Soup Nazi. Straight to the point, like it or leave, and it actually draws customers in! Haha

jessicaboyd


Right, but I'm actually REALLY nice and super responsive once they get past all that. They have all been cool reasonable people too.


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Beach, I am looking to rent a place in the 4x4 area ! Maybe we can work something out !


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The phone rang all day. The emails poured in every minute of every day with new maintenance tickets during peak season. Due to poor management, I worked every weekend during peak season all alone my last two years there. Weekends, meaning turn days, which are the busiest days, because we were trying to get in and out of so many houses between guests.

You wouldn’t believe some of the things people would call in about, or how many people use the word, “unacceptable” when whining over the smallest things.

We once had a guest demanding a full refund because the two lamps in the master bedroom did not match. No lie.

We’ve had guests crap on beds and leave it.

I talked to one lady who was furious because one of the 16 TVs stopped working in the house. People always claiming the pool heat isn’t working when it’s 90 degrees outside.

One guest demanded we come pick up the seashells that were in the yard. Another guest demanded we come pick up sand spurs. On and on.

jessicaboyd


Thats what I like about managing my own property. I have it CLEARLY stated in property description that I while I will do everything in my power to respond to requests and solve issues I WILL NOT put up with Bullsh1t complaints about picayune crap. I do everything I can to discourage people from renting my house by listing every single thing they might not like about it first and foremost. I even exaggerate it! I tell prospective renters that 'I do not need to rent my place" and if they have a problem with any of the Items listed DO NOT RENT MY HOUSE! ...Still, I have a 4.9 rating, I'm a Superhost and have lots of happy customers because I do actually treat them well. I just won't tolerate rude people.

Beach Farmer


I love to read these stories on how far some people go.

Since BF will not pick up sand spurs for me. Im so delicate and all...
But honestly we are the type of people to say leave the dogs downstairs its fine.
The truck is currently out of commission. Any bad luck we have it right now. Men and trucks is all I will say. lol



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I never knew there was an epidemic of stupid entitlement by people with enough money to spend a week at the beach. But I have been retired for 10 years.

"You wouldn’t believe some of the things people would call in about, or how many people use the word, “unacceptable” when whining over the smallest things."

HA !!! I know "unacceptable." Yes, I do believe it. I've been watching Karen and Kevin videos on youtube this week. You know the ones, Karen mouths off to the cashier and asks for the manager. Kevin mouths off to the police and demands a supervisor. And my favorite, mouthing off to the judge at sentencing.

And yes, I'm one of those people who drags a toolbox with me everywhere I go. Fixing something that's loose is faster than calling the office.


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