Mid County Bridge

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Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't it also sold as a necessary route for hurricane evacuations? I thought at one time this was the primary driver; Public Safety.
(edit: Sorry NCSU Dad, we posted at the same time)


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My wife's aunt and uncle bought in 1988, and we've been going since 1990. Corolla is unrecognizable compared to over 30 years ago.

PaulOinMA


Go outside your home and look around. Is it unrecognizable compared to over 30 years ago? Oh! Your house is not 30 years old and used to be farmland. Lol!

Weather good or bad. It's called progress and new homes are built by demand. It happens everywhere, not only the OBX.

JimmyZ


Great point Jimmy Z. We built our house 15 years ago on three acres bought off of a local farmer. It was funny going to local establishments and hearing people, who did not know us, comment on how they could not believe that someone is building a new house and how the rural area was going to be ruined. It seemed silly to me at the time....until someone bought several acres next to me and built a house. Now I know where they were coming from.

acme15610
So your the one that ruined the neighborhood. Great. I've been wondering who it was.


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Great point Jimmy Z. We built our house 15 years ago on three acres bought off of a local farmer. It was funny going to local establishments and hearing people, who did not know us, comment on how they could not believe that someone is building a new house and how the rural area was going to be ruined. It seemed silly to me at the time....until someone bought several acres next to me and built a house. Now I know where they were coming from.

acme15610


Hear that all the time now.

We are building in a beach town in Delaware, and people are always saying, I cannot believe that parcel was sold or this parcel was sold what's next.

The place we are building is part of the flyover for the Snow Goose. The field and pond have been covered with them. I am sure in a few years that field will be a new development and I too will be, I can't believe they sold that.

Nobody likes change.




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My neighbors are like " I can't believe they are putting in a pool."


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I'm all for it. It would bring some positives - reduced traffic at the Home Depot intersection, fewer frustrated guests arriving, stoke investment in properties on the "other side" of the bridge, allows for more day trips from VA, Carova daytrips, etc.

That being said, they have several hurdles left to overcome - I know the RoD is done, but financing has to be figured out and lawsuits are inevitable.

I think it will be a positive in the end, even though some people are down on the idea right now.


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I'm all for it. It would bring some positives - reduced traffic at the Home Depot intersection, fewer frustrated guests arriving, stoke investment in properties on the "other side" of the bridge, allows for more day trips from VA, Carova daytrips, etc.

That being said, they have several hurdles left to overcome - I know the RoD is done, but financing has to be figured out and lawsuits are inevitable.

I think it will be a positive in the end, even though some people are down on the idea right now.

SOLDontheOuterBanks


The reality is that most renters will avoid the tolls and travel the long way, similar to how they avoid the tolls for the Chesapeake Expressway. Although the time and travel saving would be way more significant!


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The reality is that most renters will avoid the tolls and travel the long way, similar to how they avoid the tolls for the Chesapeake Expressway. Although the time and travel saving would be way more significant!

bobbyg


Do we know that the majority of people avoid the Chesapeake Expressway now?

As one who remembers coming to a grinding halt on Battlefield Blvd before the Expressway was built, I saw this expressway as nothing but a positive, and have never hesitated in spending the money on the toll. Time is money and my time is well worth the money spent on the toll.

Just curious how successful the Expressway has been financially.




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The reality is that most renters will avoid the tolls and travel the long way, similar to how they avoid the tolls for the Chesapeake Expressway. Although the time and travel saving would be way more significant!

bobbyg


Do we know that the majority of people avoid the Chesapeake Expressway now?

As one who remembers coming to a grinding halt on Battlefield Blvd before the Expressway was built, I saw this expressway as nothing but a positive, and have never hesitated in spending the money on the toll. Time is money and my time is well worth the money spent on the toll.

Just curious how successful the Expressway has been financially.

Bill


I’m with you Bill, I’ve always used the expressway. As far as profitability, they couldn’t lose. As I recall, VDOT and Chesapeake only relented to build the expressway when NC threatened to cut off the water supply from Lake Gaston that was feeding most of the Virginia Beach area. Prior to that standoff, Va Beach preferred to make the route to OBX more difficult so people would choose to stay at Va Beach. I think FEMA was also involved in the standoff because 168 was an evacuation bottleneck.
And then they put a toll plaza and traffic lights on an expressway! Doh!


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I drive down from MA. I keep looking at GPS in the car when we are across from Corolla thinking that getting on a bridge right about now sure would be nice.

I always thing of getting off the Expressway at Wawa, too, but have never taken the exit. Just want to keep driving and get to Corolla.


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The reality is that most renters will avoid the tolls and travel the long way, similar to how they avoid the tolls for the Chesapeake Expressway.

bobbyg


No, in fact they don't. It's amazing in the summer to see the bumper-to-bumper traffic on the Chesapeake Expressway when the toll is totally outrageous! And even more amazing to see non-locals who have pulled off the Expressway for gas at WaWa and THEN drive out of the parking lot and get back on the Expressway so they can pay the toll.

My theory is that they are not willing to look at a map and see how easy it is to not pay the toll.

If you stop for gas, a Wawa hoagie, or other fast food (or even a Home Depot run) and you subtract the time you spend doing those things, the bypass will cost you maybe 5 extra minutes, except when school is in session and is letting out for the afternoon (which obviously doesn't happen in the summer season).

Before the gas tax changes in VA recently, premium Wawa gas was the cheapest from Richmond to and on the Outer Banks, worth a fill up all by itself. (Now it's on Rt. 460, but the great deals at the Pilot in Disputana are gone).

The Chesapeaks Expressway comparison is not comparable because you're not going to save 5 minutes. On a turn day you'll save 2 hours and 2 or more gallons of gas by using the bridge.


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I'm all for it. It would bring some positives - reduced traffic at the Home Depot intersection, fewer frustrated guests arriving, stoke investment in properties on the "other side" of the bridge, allows for more day trips from VA, Carova daytrips, etc.

That being said, they have several hurdles left to overcome - I know the RoD is done, but financing has to be figured out and lawsuits are inevitable.

I think it will be a positive in the end, even though some people are down on the idea right now.

SOLDontheOuterBanks


The reality is that most renters will avoid the tolls and travel the long way, similar to how they avoid the tolls for the Chesapeake Expressway. Although the time and travel saving would be way more significant!

bobbyg


Wrong, the reality is everyone wants to get from point A to point B in the fastest amount of time and they will happily pay for it. Their was a study done two years ago that most of the now 41 million easy pass holders don't even think about the price of tolls. They want to get there in the quickest amount of time


RE: Mid County Bridge




I'm all for it. It would bring some positives - reduced traffic at the Home Depot intersection, fewer frustrated guests arriving, stoke investment in properties on the "other side" of the bridge, allows for more day trips from VA, Carova daytrips, etc.

That being said, they have several hurdles left to overcome - I know the RoD is done, but financing has to be figured out and lawsuits are inevitable.

I think it will be a positive in the end, even though some people are down on the idea right now.

SOLDontheOuterBanks


The reality is that most renters will avoid the tolls and travel the long way, similar to how they avoid the tolls for the Chesapeake Expressway. Although the time and travel saving would be way more significant!

bobbyg


Wrong, the reality is everyone wants to get from point A to point B in the fastest amount of time and they will happily pay for it. Their was a study done two years ago that most of the now 41 million easy pass holders don't even think about the price of tolls. They want to get there in the quickest amount of time

Laszlo
Did anyone verify that the most of those 41 million were legit. I want a recount just to be sure.


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I won't pay for the Chesapeake Expressway or Rt 1 in Delaware. They're too damn expensive. Plus, I like Wawa gas prices and the food and need to pee by then, too. Lots of renters may not care about tolls, so they would probably be willing to pay a toll for a new bridge. I on the other hand don't mind the extra time or back roads. I can't even get into my own home until after 4PM anyway, because of housekeeping. "¡VAMANOS!"


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The reality is that most renters will avoid the tolls and travel the long way, similar to how they avoid the tolls for the Chesapeake Expressway.

bobbyg


No, in fact they don't. It's amazing in the summer to see the bumper-to-bumper traffic on the Chesapeake Expressway when the toll is totally outrageous! And even more amazing to see non-locals who have pulled off the Expressway for gas at WaWa and THEN drive out of the parking lot and get back on the Expressway so they can pay the toll.

My theory is that they are not willing to look at a map and see how easy it is to not pay the toll.

If you stop for gas, a Wawa hoagie, or other fast food (or even a Home Depot run) and you subtract the time you spend doing those things, the bypass will cost you maybe 5 extra minutes, except when school is in session and is letting out for the afternoon (which obviously doesn't happen in the summer season).

Before the gas tax changes in VA recently, premium Wawa gas was the cheapest from Richmond to and on the Outer Banks, worth a fill up all by itself. (Now it's on Rt. 460, but the great deals at the Pilot in Disputana are gone).

The Chesapeaks Expressway comparison is not comparable because you're not going to save 5 minutes. On a turn day you'll save 2 hours and 2 or more gallons of gas by using the bridge.

NightOwl


NightOwl is right on. It will definitely save at least 2 hours or more and 2 gallons of gas. So you will save time taking the new bridge and since the gas savings will be $4 or more then you are only paying $4 for the toll of $8 .

Now another problem is that the rental companies need to have a check-in before the bridge or right near where the bridge comes into the OBX or you will have to drive BACK to Duck to check-in defeating the whole savings of time.



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NightOwl is right on. It will definitely save at least 2 hours or more and 2 gallons of gas. So you will save time taking the new bridge and since the gas savings will be $4 or more then you are only paying $4 for the toll of $8 .

Now another problem is that the rental companies need to have a check-in before the bridge or right near where the bridge comes into the OBX or you will have to drive BACK to Duck to check-in defeating the whole savings of time.


I agree with this as well, but I don’t think rental companies will need new offices. These days, check-in is remote with electronic door locks on so many houses. Seems like less and less renters have to physically visit the rental office.


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I agree with this as well, but I don’t think rental companies will need new offices. These days, check-in is remote with electronic door locks on so many houses. Seems like less and less renters have to physically visit the rental office.

SeaglassDuck


Last few times renting, we got a text that our property was available and they gave us the code.

This past visit, the Management company told us the whole thing was timed. We had our code a week or two in advance but were told the code would not work until 4 PM.

Made it so much simpler.




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The reality is that most renters will avoid the tolls and travel the long way, similar to how they avoid the tolls for the Chesapeake Expressway. Although the time and travel saving would be way more significant!

bobbyg


Do we know that the majority of people avoid the Chesapeake Expressway now?

As one who remembers coming to a grinding halt on Battlefield Blvd before the Expressway was built, I saw this expressway as nothing but a positive, and have never hesitated in spending the money on the toll. Time is money and my time is well worth the money spent on the toll.

Just curious how successful the Expressway has been financially.

Bill


We definitely never avoid the Expressway. At that point we've been on the road for what seems like forever and just want to get from A to B as quickly and easily as possible. I remember the old Battlefield Blvd days and don't miss them at all.


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I only live 4 hours away and I never avoid the expressway either! Please, it's the equivalent of one cup of Starbucks. Since we go down every weekend or few weeks so it adds up, but to me it's worth the convenience. Sometimes we even take 2 cars (b/c one kid has to go home early for something) and we still both take it and never considered not! I think nowadays most people just want to get where they are going ASAP.

I am figuring if not traffic it would cut about 20-25 minutes off my trip to Duck. That means I could be at my beach house in 3.5 hours. I would FOR SURE pay. Especially with a full car of pets and kids!


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For those who say they'd rather take the long route instead of paying a bridge toll to Corolla must be traveling solo or with like minded people (no children or a frazzled spouse) in the car. You'll spend several thousand dollars to rent a house for a week but refuse to pay a toll to get there ASAP? Good luck with that!


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Laszlo
Did anyone verify that the most of those 41 million were legit. I want a recount just to be sure.

robluc


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NightOwl is right on. It will definitely save at least 2 hours or more and 2 gallons of gas. So you will save time taking the new bridge and since the gas savings will be $4 or more then you are only paying $4 for the toll of $8 .

Now another problem is that the rental companies need to have a check-in before the bridge or right near where the bridge comes into the OBX or you will have to drive BACK to Duck to check-in defeating the whole savings of time.

JimmyZ


With the number of Airbnbs and direct rentals growing steadily (with some help from this season's shenanigans of destruction) more PMs are moving not just to electronic locks, but to ones where your code activates and deactivates on check in/out date and time, so the code can be given out well in advance. We usually input our codes and send them out to guest with the guest guides within a week of booking.

As far as the bridge being a time/gas saver, that's the one place it's likely universally seen as an improvement. Probably also in lessening the Kitty Hawk congestion as well. The big issue has been establishing willingness to pay what they would need to get per car, per day and at a sufficient rate. Average of 1,000 per day over a 30 year bond at $25-28 per car seems like a stretch. That's the 2016 toll revenue requirement to bond what would be left over after the current state and federal funding, though obviously build costs have risen a bit. Would be interesting to take a poll.


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NightOwl is right on. It will definitely save at least 2 hours or more and 2 gallons of gas. So you will save time taking the new bridge and since the gas savings will be $4 or more then you are only paying $4 for the toll of $8 .

Now another problem is that the rental companies need to have a check-in before the bridge or right near where the bridge comes into the OBX or you will have to drive BACK to Duck to check-in defeating the whole savings of time.

JimmyZ


With the number of Airbnbs and direct rentals growing steadily (with some help from this season's shenanigans of destruction) more PMs are moving not just to electronic locks, but to ones where your code activates and deactivates on check in/out date and time, so the code can be given out well in advance. We usually input our codes and send them out to guest with the guest guides within a week of booking.

As far as the bridge being a time/gas saver, that's the one place it's likely universally seen as an improvement. Probably also in lessening the Kitty Hawk congestion as well. The big issue has been establishing willingness to pay what they would need to get per car, per day and at a sufficient rate. Average of 1,000 per day over a 30 year bond at $25-28 per car seems like a stretch. That's the 2016 toll revenue requirement to bond what would be left over after the current state and federal funding, though obviously build costs have risen a bit. Would be interesting to take a poll.

KDHBreeze


I believe our code from Village Realty worked that way in September. We got the code two weeks prior to arrival and were told it work at 1pm on check in day (early checkin). When checking out we put the code in and hit either pound or star. Anyway that checked us out. For the heck of it I tried our code again an it would not work


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Who will use the MidCountyBridge? Of course many of those in Corolla (Whalehead and north) will, but how far south of Whalehead? Ocean Sands probably would, Pine Island/Currituck Club most likely. But what about Duck? North of the village proper? South of the village?


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Lot of homes in Ocean Sands just south of Food Lion. Currituck Club.


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I am just north of Duck, I would probably also use the bridge, turning right off of it. I would think everyone north of Duck would use it. The traffic would probably be less avoiding Kitty Hawk and traveling through the town of Duck, which always backs up. Since I am just north I can come in from above and miss all that. Plus don't forget Corolla has SO MANY HOUSES and they are all HUGE holding what seems like 5+ cars per house!

Edited to say, I'd probably evaluate which is quicker with the bridge - going down and up, or the traffic on the bride. In the off season I grocery shop, etc in Kitty Hawk - it's closer than Corolla! So I'd have to see, but I am thinking the bridge would be quicker, but I'd need trial to compare!


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