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Need a new hot water heater - any recs

Need a new hot water heater - any recs




Just found out we need to replace one of our hot water heaters for our home owner's policy since it is older than 15 years (although working perfectly). Anyone have any recommendations?


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I've always had great luck with Bradford White's



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Just found out we need to replace one of our hot water heaters for our home owner's policy since it is older than 15 years (although working perfectly). Anyone have any recommendations?

STMOBX


Suggest you get a new insurance company. Who is requiring that?



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Just found out we need to replace one of our hot water heaters for our home owner's policy since it is older than 15 years (although working perfectly). Anyone have any recommendations?

STMOBX


If you need an 80 gallon unit you may be forced tp go to one of the heat pump types to meet the energy code. They are not cheap.


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I've always had great luck with Bradford White's

Bill

Agree with Bill. We replaced our 20 year old Braford White with another one (went up from 40 to 50 gallons, it's more energy efficient as well). The old was still working fine, but 20 years is kind of pushing it and a failure would flood a finished basement, so we just replaced it while also replacing the central air unit.

A couple of our neighbors had theirs fail. 15 years is about right to change it.


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Where are you? If you are a CHEC customer that have great deals on Marathon water heaters. Since they are blow molded poly butyl they don't leak




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We replaced our two 13 year old units several years ago. Our electric bill almost decrease by half. We didn't realize that they were not working properly.


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We replaced our two 13 year old units several years ago. Our electric bill almost decrease by half. We didn't realize that they were not working properly.

Homeagain


13 years is not really a long time for a hot water heater. Several things could have gone wrong, though it's unlikely that two water heaters would go at the same time.

1) Dip tube was eaten away or broke off, so cold water stayed at the top of the tank. Not expensive to fix.

2) One of the two heating elements went bad. Usually not too expensive to fix.

3) The bottom filled up with sediment. Easy to prevent, not economically fixable.

4) The new heaters have much better insulation than the old ones though 13 years ago almost all hot water heaters had good insulation, so these would have had to have been the absolute bottom-of-the-line models.

Before replacing a hot water heater, it's worth having a plumber you trust take a look.


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If you are in Greg Whites service area he did a good job replaced our water heater and some other plumbing repairs that were beyond my abilities.


RE: Need a new hot water heater - any recs




Just found out we need to replace one of our hot water heaters for our home owner's policy since it is older than 15 years (although working perfectly). Anyone have any recommendations?

STMOBX


Suggest you get a new insurance company. Who is requiring that?

Tim-OBX


I agree with Tim!

If you are going to replace, look into the tankless. Initial cost will be more, but will save in the long run.


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I second Alexy's suggestion if you are a CHEC customer.

www.chec.coop/waterheater...


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I would also recommend a tankless. Only heats water on demand. Saves a lot on electricity.

Try Steve Hampton (252) 475-1787 very reasonable for any kind of plumbing work.


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There are 4 items that require maintenance on a typical electric hot water tank. The age of this is a concern especially if not properly serviced. The items are lower element, upper element, P&T relief valve and anode rod. Worn out elements increase recovery time. Worn relief valve would typically leak. Worn anode rod typically leads to tank corrosion and eventually leak. It's the last two items that most homeowners fail to service every 5 years or in accordance with the manufacturer's recommendations. Also, annually test the relief valve and drain the tank. The parts are not crazy expensive but if you are not inclined to do it yourself, a plumber is required. Cost could easily be a third of a new tank so some people choose to replace. A maintained tank could last 20+ years.
There are stainless tanks that don't have the sacrificial anode rod but still has items to service. I don't have experience with tank less systems. As a precautionary measure, I have moisture detection at the base of water heater that will send an alert to my phone.
Good luck.


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Another vote for a tankless hot water heater if you do have to change it. We have one and it is WONDERFUL. We have a big family and we never run out of hot water, it's also much smaller and takes up less space. When ours goes in OBX we plan on getting one. If you rent your place out or have a large family it will be worth the cost.


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Tankless are great if you are using gas. The electric ones are not nearly as efficient and you will most likely need 120 AMPS per unit. With a standard 50-80 gallon hot water heater you set and forget it. Tankless do require a certain amount of service like cleaning out the filter. Unless you get the correct one for the amount of fixtures being used you will be very unhappy. Ask yourself how many fixtures, like showers could be running at the same time? What is your water temp coming into the house. A tankless can only put out X amount of GPM at X rise in temp. This must be all figured into the purchase. If this in not done you might only have hot water coming out of two showers flowing at the same time at 95F instead of 110-112F. Any plumber or HVAC company will figure this into the unit or units you might need.

We stayed at a rental unit a few years ago that was 6 bedrooms 6 baths, they had 3 tankless units for the house. I took notice of the brand and the model and figured they had about 8K just in the tankless units themselves


RE: Need a new hot water heater - any recs




Tankless are great if you are using gas. The electric ones are not nearly as efficient and you will most likely need 120 AMPS per unit. With a standard 50-80 gallon hot water heater you set and forget it. Tankless do require a certain amount of service like cleaning out the filter. Unless you get the correct one for the amount of fixtures being used you will be very unhappy. Ask yourself how many fixtures, like showers could be running at the same time? What is your water temp coming into the house. A tankless can only put out X amount of GPM at X rise in temp. This must be all figured into the purchase. If this in not done you might only have hot water coming out of two showers flowing at the same time at 95F instead of 110-112F. Any plumber or HVAC company will figure this into the unit or units you might need.

We stayed at a rental unit a few years ago that was 6 bedrooms 6 baths, they had 3 tankless units for the house. I took notice of the brand and the model and figured they had about 8K just in the tankless units themselves

Laszlo


Electric tankless water heaters are over 99% efficient. MUCH more efficient than gas. I have a 27kw (113 Amps) unit and I absolutely love it. With that said, electric units unless only make sense for a smaller house unless you upgrade your service (otherwise you will not have enough power to run everything else). Electric units get a bad rap because most people buy one that's way too small, but in order to get one powerful enough, a service upgrade is usually required, and you usually cant use more than two fixtures at once. Gas units make more sense in most installations as they don't require so much electricity and they can output more volume of hot water


RE: Need a new hot water heater - any recs




Tankless are great if you are using gas. The electric ones are not nearly as efficient and you will most likely need 120 AMPS per unit. With a standard 50-80 gallon hot water heater you set and forget it. Tankless do require a certain amount of service like cleaning out the filter. Unless you get the correct one for the amount of fixtures being used you will be very unhappy. Ask yourself how many fixtures, like showers could be running at the same time? What is your water temp coming into the house. A tankless can only put out X amount of GPM at X rise in temp. This must be all figured into the purchase. If this in not done you might only have hot water coming out of two showers flowing at the same time at 95F instead of 110-112F. Any plumber or HVAC company will figure this into the unit or units you might need.

We stayed at a rental unit a few years ago that was 6 bedrooms 6 baths, they had 3 tankless units for the house. I took notice of the brand and the model and figured they had about 8K just in the tankless units themselves

Laszlo


Electric tankless water heaters are over 99% efficient. MUCH more efficient than gas. I have a 27kw (113 Amps) unit and I absolutely love it. With that said, electric units unless only make sense for a smaller house unless you upgrade your service (otherwise you will not have enough power to run everything else). Electric units get a bad rap because most people buy one that's way too small, but in order to get one powerful enough, a service upgrade is usually required, and you usually cant use more than two fixtures at once. Gas units make more sense in most installations as they don't require so much electricity and they can output more volume of hot water

jsncrso


Correct, I should have said gas is more efficient to run since electric at least in my area is more expensive than gas, by a decent amount

And I agree, if the installer does not size the tankless correct your not going to have a happy customer


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Just found out we need to replace one of our hot water heaters for our home owner's policy since it is older than 15 years (although working perfectly). Anyone have any recommendations?

STMOBX


Suggest you get a new insurance company. Who is requiring that?

Tim-OBX


Gotta be FrontLine. I’m dealing with this on a bunch of sales recently. Best way around this is to let FrontLine handle the Wind & Hail policy and use J&J or someone else to write the HO3 policy. Same work around for Polybutylene Piping.

Matt


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not to hijack the thread, but who would you folks recommend for re-piping the house with PEX tubing. The Polybutylene piping in my house has me more worried than the water heater, probably do both at the same time.


RE: Need a new hot water heater - any recs




We replaced our two 13 year old units several years ago. Our electric bill almost decrease by half. We didn't realize that they were not working properly.

Homeagain


There is not much to go bad in a water heater except two heating elements and 2 thermostats. What was wrong with yours? If you lose one element you normally see a reduction in the time before you run out of hot water.


RE: Need a new hot water heater - any recs




Just found out we need to replace one of our hot water heaters for our home owner's policy since it is older than 15 years (although working perfectly). Anyone have any recommendations?

STMOBX


Suggest you get a new insurance company. Who is requiring that?

Tim-OBX


Gotta be FrontLine. I’m dealing with this on a bunch of sales recently. Best way around this is to let FrontLine handle the Wind & Hail policy and use J&J or someone else to write the HO3 policy. Same work around for Polybutylene Piping.

Matt

OBX Agent


It's not always an advantage to opt for an insurance that doesn't note items beyond usable life. There are two types of insurance companies. Those who will require you to replace items beyond their usable life to maintain your policy, and those who will insure the property without suggesting/requiring replacement, relying on that they won't have to pay a claim in the event of a failure. The latter won't just deny anything for replacement of the item itself, but many will deny the damage claim, and even if you appeal and win, that can add 3-6 months on to restoration if you don't have the funds to pay OOP initially. Most will then cancel. High risk insurance is no fun even for a year or two.

It's never the issue of how long an appliance will last, but when it becomes more of a liability than a savings.


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not to hijack the thread, but who would you folks recommend for re-piping the house with PEX tubing. The Polybutylene piping in my house has me more worried than the water heater, probably do both at the same time.

WallySail


Wally, it depends on when your house was built. The early Poly system used plastic junctions ("Tees" and "Elbows") and plastic bands. I understand those were not safe.

My house is 25 years old and by then they were using an improved system of poly. Copper junctions and crush bands that greatly improved the reliability. In 25 years I have had no failures/leaks.

Wally, if you have had no problems I wouldn't worry. But that's just me. And when I leave town for more than a day I do turn off the water to my house (peace of mind).

Plumbers, please chime in with comments.


RE: Need a new hot water heater - any recs




not to hijack the thread, but who would you folks recommend for re-piping the house with PEX tubing. The Polybutylene piping in my house has me more worried than the water heater, probably do both at the same time.

WallySail


Wally, it depends on when your house was built. The early Poly system used plastic junctions ("Tees" and "Elbows") and plastic bands. I understand those were not safe.

My house is 25 years old and by then they were using an improved system of poly. Copper junctions and crush bands that greatly improved the reliability. In 25 years I have had no failures/leaks.

Wally, if you have had no problems I wouldn't worry. But that's just me. And when I leave town for more than a day I do turn off the water to my house (peace of mind).

Plumbers, please chime in with comments.

KHbiker


Totally agree - my 1991 house had polybutyl but the copper fittings and steel crush ring and I never had a problem in the 25 years I owned it. If you have gone this far just worry about the water heater, but I would always suggest turning off the water to the house when you leave for more than a day or two. Don't drain it, just turn off the water just in case.Worked for me. OH, BTW there is a Pex class action law suit over pin hole leaks. Don't ask me how I know Crying smiley

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not a plumber, but 15 years on a water heater is borrowed time. That's a lot of water running out all over the place if/when it fails, and you may not know it for a few hours/days.


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