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Non-Resident Owners - Property Tax Credit Petition




Sign the Petition and make your voince heard. This is on Change.org. Click to follow link...

Dare County North Carolina has closed entry to the Outer Banks for non-residemt property owners. This is in response to the Covid-19 crisis and to protect residents of the Outer Banks.

If you are not a resident of the Outer Banks - but own property there you can not access or use your property as you will not be permitted past police checkpoints. Non-resident propery owners pay real estate tax to Dare County and have no representation in local government.

This petition is as stated: Non-Resident Property Owners should receive property tax credit for the time they are unable to access their property. As an example, if property access is denied for a total of 1 month in the course of a year - than the property taxes for that property will be credited for 1/12 of the annual property tax.

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I can see all the class-action lawsuit lawyer vultures circling the Outer Banks now.


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I've seen it all.
So if a non resident owner just happened to be on the outer banks and the location of their primary residence was deemed off limits..do they get sued too? What if you own property in several hot spots? Do they all get sued or just your favorite? And better yet, when we are collectively encouraged not to travel and think of others, being a property owner somehow grants special consideration, because epidemic be damned, you own it?!

I'm floored by the selfish entitled attitude. Here in Ohio nearly 50,000 are out of work and zero money coming in...and then you see someone whining about a month of property tax on their beach house. If only everyone had that problem LOL


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Nicki,

Good to hear from you. Are you getting any testing yet?


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I've seen it all.
So if a non resident owner just happened to be on the outer banks and the location of their primary residence was deemed off limits..do they get sued too? What if you own property in several hot spots? Do they all get sued or just your favorite? And better yet, when we are collectively encouraged not to travel and think of others, being a property owner somehow grants special consideration, because epidemic be damned, you own it?!

I'm floored by the selfish entitled attitude. Here in Ohio nearly 50,000 are out of work and zero money coming in...and then you see someone whining about a month of property tax on their beach house. If only everyone had that problem LOL

nicki


You wouldn't be upset if you were not able to access property, any property that you pay for? I would not and have not ever considered going anywhere else during this time but the government just effectively denied access to a property I hold legal title to. Will they give it back eventually I am sure. But the fact remains I a tax paying citizen who has no representation was just barred from going to a property which I own and pay taxes on. What prevents this happening again? During hurricanes they also bar non-resident homeowners the difference is this is NOT just a week or two, this will be MONTHS!!!
And at risk of sounding "rich" "selfish" or "entitled" we own a condo in a small ski town which has two roads into and out of and a very similar situation to the OBX, they have NOT closed the roads. If they did I would be just as upset about the government TAKING property I own. I will be perfectly happy going to my essential job because cancer doesn't care that there is a virus, while I worry about getting groceries for my 90 year old grandmother and my 80 year old cousin so they don't expose themselves unnecessarily. And explain to my high school senior why life just sucks sometimes and that we will have a big party to celebrate him working through all of his disabilities to finally graduate and dream of a day long ago when I didn't get called selfish or entitled for wanting the government to not over reach.
I hope everyone stays health and comes out of this with a little more compassion and understanding.


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I've seen it all.
So if a non resident owner just happened to be on the outer banks and the location of their primary residence was deemed off limits..do they get sued too? What if you own property in several hot spots? Do they all get sued or just your favorite? And better yet, when we are collectively encouraged not to travel and think of others, being a property owner somehow grants special consideration, because epidemic be damned, you own it?!

I'm floored by the selfish entitled attitude. Here in Ohio nearly 50,000 are out of work and zero money coming in...and then you see someone whining about a month of property tax on their beach house. If only everyone had that problem LOL

nicki


You wouldn't be upset if you were not able to access property, any property that you pay for? I would not and have not ever considered going anywhere else during this time but the government just effectively denied access to a property I hold legal title to. Will they give it back eventually I am sure. But the fact remains I a tax paying citizen who has no representation was just barred from going to a property which I own and pay taxes on. What prevents this happening again? During hurricanes they also bar non-resident homeowners the difference is this is NOT just a week or two, this will be MONTHS!!!
And at risk of sounding "rich" "selfish" or "entitled" we own a condo in a small ski town which has two roads into and out of and a very similar situation to the OBX, they have NOT closed the roads. If they did I would be just as upset about the government TAKING property I own. I will be perfectly happy going to my essential job because cancer doesn't care that there is a virus, while I worry about getting groceries for my 90 year old grandmother and my 80 year old cousin so they don't expose themselves unnecessarily. And explain to my high school senior why life just sucks sometimes and that we will have a big party to celebrate him working through all of his disabilities to finally graduate and dream of a day long ago when I didn't get called selfish or entitled for wanting the government to not over reach.
I hope everyone stays health and comes out of this with a little more compassion and understanding.

AbunchofCrooks


Compassion? Understanding?
No, I wouldnt be upset if I were denied access to one of my homes that I had no reason to occupy since I was safely living in the other. They didnt take your property, they took your ability to travel and roost in a community ill equpped to handle a medical emergency...thats called understanding and is a bit more important than a party. You think kids whose parents live in rental homes or only have one home arent missing graduation festivities? This petition is now placing a dollar amt on another humans life. Is your 80 yr old relative worth more than 1/12 of your property tax? If so, I hope a NYC resident doesnt have a second home nearby. And I mean that. Its called compassion. Everyone is going through some form of hardship right now, its beyond being about individual wants. We should be focused on everyones needs.
I too hope everyone stays well. Now I have to get back to my own essential job.

**Hi Crunch, we'll chat soon. smiley


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Medical capacity is irrelevant. There is no capacity on the island to handle just one or two cases that need treatment beyond self-quarantine. Medical capacity is a red herring. Everyone who sickens will need to leave, which just makes it more shameful that people are needing to leave the county because OBH won't test them (including an EMT).

I know it's convenient to think that eveyone owns at least two homes if they're "nonresident" property owners, but that's just resentment and privilege talking. Plenty of people own a property there as their only home and live in apartments, base/post housing, or in an RV.

The ugliest thing we do in "othering" people we think are not like us out of fear and panic is cast everyone else as the enemy. It's least attractive in a time of what could have been compassion.



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Citizens everywhere are making sacrifices and are having to trust what officials are telling them and have to trust that those officials are making sound informed decisions. It is that or complete chaos..... I am begging you people to let our local officials do their jobs and leave them alone while this crises is taking place. Surely some of you live in places that are also have restrictions in place, are you abiding?

Please do not call our County Emergency manager because your son left his stuff at school, find somebody to mail him his stuff!
Quit bombarding our folks with e-mails! Focus on what is happening around you instead of zeroing in on Dare County. People are dying! Should everyone in United States start a lawsuit because they couldn't go where they wanted, do what they wanted,lost their job etc etc. Now in the midst of this National emergency you want to file a lawsuit on a County under a state of
emergency in NC that is also under an emergency declaration! I wish you could harness your energy and anger and do something more productive with it , There are so many in need.

Yes we feel bad for you that you are not getting rental income to pay your mortgage, and the blue collar service work force is not getting a paycheck to pay their only mortgage or rent with! Try to put this in perspective, please! We are not unsympathetic, but it is difficult to be empathetic when you keep attacking our local officials who WE are depending on to do their best to keep us safe! It starts to feel like an attack on us and our loved ones. It feels like we are stuck in the middle. We are not always happy with the choices made for us and we protest quite loudly at times, but not now, this is something bigger, more serious and scary and WE have to look to our local to make the right call. They know things that we don't know and things that you don't know.

Did it ever occur to you that their change of "heart" about allowing non resident property owners in may have been based on the knowledge that they already knew there was a positive in Dare County and they had to wait for the official test results before announcing it? Maybe they were concerned about you and not being able to take care of you and your family if you became sick while here?

Our Governor made it very clear last night that the State of NC is going to put harsher restrictions in place, probably today! Are you going to file a lawsuit on the State too? PLEASE people we are all suffering in one way or another, including those making the decisions, when all is said and done and if they screwed everything up with their decisions then by all means do what you want,in the mean time leave them alone so they can stay focused on the life threatening issues at hand.

God bless us all....
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Sign the Petition and make your voince heard. This is on Change.org. Click to follow link...

Dare County North Carolina has closed entry to the Outer Banks for non-residemt property owners. This is in response to the Covid-19 crisis and to protect residents of the Outer Banks.

If you are not a resident of the Outer Banks - but own property there you can not access or use your property as you will not be permitted past police checkpoints. Non-resident propery owners pay real estate tax to Dare County and have no representation in local government.

This petition is as stated: Non-Resident Property Owners should receive property tax credit for the time they are unable to access their property. As an example, if property access is denied for a total of 1 month in the course of a year - than the property taxes for that property will be credited for 1/12 of the annual property tax.

beachbum555


Another poorly written petition. The is literally a zero percent chance that Dare County would consider this, and a nearly zero percent chance that a class action lawsuit would result in refund of property taxes.

If the originator or the petition is insistent on monetarily penalizing the county for denying access, perhaps he should consider petitioning for a prorated refund for a service such as trash removal.



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I think this is called "pissing up a rope"...

If you have a "gotta get" there issue (like you opened your roof and ran off island for a materials run) Dare will let you back in. Just don't be an azzwipe in how you make your pitch.


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I'm floored by the selfish entitled attitude. Here in Ohio nearly 50,000 are out of work and zero money coming in...and then you see someone whining about a month of property tax on their beach house. If only everyone had that problem LOL

nicki


Nearly everyone is having income issues at this point, I don’t think a months worth of my NC property taxes is worth wasting time on but to each their own :-)


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I can see all the class-action lawsuit lawyer vultures circling the Outer Banks now.

PaulOinMA


They don't need to be circling here, their clients are not here - remember?

Wink smiley


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Sign the Petition and make your voince heard. This is on Change.org. Click to follow link...

Dare County North Carolina has closed entry to the Outer Banks for non-residemt property owners. This is in response to the Covid-19 crisis and to protect residents of the Outer Banks.

If you are not a resident of the Outer Banks - but own property there you can not access or use your property as you will not be permitted past police checkpoints. Non-resident propery owners pay real estate tax to Dare County and have no representation in local government.

This petition is as stated: Non-Resident Property Owners should receive property tax credit for the time they are unable to access their property. As an example, if property access is denied for a total of 1 month in the course of a year - than the property taxes for that property will be credited for 1/12 of the annual property tax.

beachbum555



Don't you get it? Everyone is supposed to stay put to stop the spread. I'm glad they closed the access onto the Island. I am a non-resident property owner and the only objection I have is the residents should not be allowed to LEAVE the island. If people keep moving around the country, this virus will never end and thousands more will die.

I live in Florida and am old and worried if my body would be able to fight this virus. Our Governor came out the other day and said he did not want to close the beaches because it would create loss of jobs and revenue. He doesn't get it either.

You think you have a problem because you are not allowed on the OBX. Come to Florida. We are going to have a big problem here. Monday we had one plane from New York fly into Orlando. Tuesday we had 44 planes from New York fly into Orlando. No testing, no nothing. The Governor said they should all quarantine themselves here for 14 days. Like they are going to do this.

So all I have to say to you is stop feeling sorry for yourself and stay put. Pray that this ends before the summer so we can all go to the OBX and relax.


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While reading this, it occurred to me how lucky I am.

No, I don't own 2 houses; and no, I don't live on a beautiful island. But I don't owe any money, and my wife and I -for now - are well. I don't know what will happen tomorrow; I hope and pray that I don't loose any friends. We have food and utilities, and we are happy with that. There are many who don't.

Sometimes, we need to put things in a proper perspective. Sometimes life is that important.


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Medical capacity is irrelevant. There is no capacity on the island to handle just one or two cases that need treatment beyond self-quarantine. Medical capacity is a red herring. Everyone who sickens will need to leave, which just makes it more shameful that people are needing to leave the county because OBH won't test them (including an EMT).

I know it's convenient to think that eveyone owns at least two homes if they're "nonresident" property owners, but that's just resentment and privilege talking. Plenty of people own a property there as their only home and live in apartments, base/post housing, or in an RV.

The ugliest thing we do in "othering" people we think are not like us out of fear and panic is cast everyone else as the enemy. It's least attractive in a time of what could have been compassion.

KDHBreeze


This petition isnt about someone who lives there and owns a second home. Why would it be? They are already there and access to either property would not be an issue.
Medical capacity is not a red herring, its reality. No one is testing, anywhere. There are not enough tests and this has been known for weeks. I am glad Ohio decided to shut down weeks ago, because things could be worse. 16% of our positives are health care workers. They are the ones who need tested and protected. And no, anyone who falls ill isnt going to "have" to leave...unless they require a hospital admission off the banks, they are expected to self-quarantine in their homes like the rest of America. Where would they go? And why?

And as far as "othering"... If you are referring to me, I will tell you that I am not resentful of someone elses good fortune. Heck, I was one of the few here who thought that the property owners in Duck got the shaft in the dispute over the access issue. This is about pointing out people sniffling because they dont care if they infected others, they want to travel and be at the beach. And since they cant do that, by God, they feel they deserve compensation to do what everyone else has to do because it is the RIGHT thing to do. And for the ones ranting the other day that they will sell their property and leave? I dont think your year round neighbors will bat an eye, if this is your idea of community, I wouldnt want you living near me!


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This petition isnt about someone who lives there and owns a second home. Why would it be? They are already there and access to either property would not be an issue.


No. People who own a home in the OBX and not anywhere else can't return to the island, and cannot leave multiple times per day and return. If they're on the island, they can't leave and if they didn't get here in time for the unannounced closure, they can't come on now. That's doubly bad for the two RVers I referenced, as they usually stay in the OBX until the season starts, and then travel in the RV and work at national parks until the end of the summer season. They can do none of that now and are headed back to plots of land to live out of their RV for the duration. That's considerably more daunting to do in an RV than in a home.

[QUOTE]Medical capacity is not a red herring, its reality. No one is testing, anywhere. There are not enough tests and this has been known for weeks. I am glad Ohio decided to shut down weeks ago, because things could be worse. 16% of our positives are health care workers. They are the ones who need tested and protected. And no, anyone who falls ill isnt going to "have" to leave...unless they require a hospital admission off the banks, they are expected to self-quarantine in their homes like the rest of America. Where would they go? And why?

Many places are testing. NC is meagerly testing, but not because tests aren't available. There is minimalization of testing on the island, which is why people have been traveling to other counties and out of state for testing. Those tests are then not recording as Dare County.

NC also is not testing people who are symptomatic and positive for flu, despite the fact that the two viruses exist as comorbidities readily. One hospital in New Orleans has two people who yesterday were both flu positive and Covid 19 positive. IF they're been in NC they would have been sent home to infect their friends and neighbors.

OBH can't accommodate the approximately 17% of people who test positive and and require a vent. They just can't Other than ICU care and vents, there is no hospital level care that can help someone who gets a severe case, and they cant's get that care at OBH.

Saying the hospital can't handle the capacity is like saying Taco Bell cant make a good hamburger.

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And as far as "othering"... If you are referring to me, I will tell you that I am not resentful of someone elses good fortune. Heck, I was one of the few here who thought that the property owners in Duck got the shaft in the dispute over the access issue. This is about pointing out people sniffling because they dont care if they infected others, they want to travel and be at the beach. And since they cant do that, by God, they feel they deserve compensation to do what everyone else has to do because it is the RIGHT thing to do. And for the ones ranting the other day that they will sell their property and leave? I dont think your year round neighbors will bat an eye, if this is your idea of community, I wouldnt want you living near me!

nicki


Othering is unrelated to fortune, good or otherwise. It's a tirbal, destructive, competetive, and base force that humans normally keep ay bey through reason and logic.

There is no rational reason to think that people on the island don't have the virus, even moreso given their greater capacity for exposure to service members who have had sick contacts going back to November/December.

There's no evidence the virus isn't on the island and there's no evidence that someone domiciled elsewhere would bring it in, least of all because many of us already were on the island extensively and had broad contact in March before Dare even bothered to begin using the tests they had available.

But, just so that the othering would be entirely irrational, if you have another address on your licesne, but you were on the island at 9:59, you get to remain for the duration, because the county didn't issue an evacuation order. If the concern was that those others were carrying disease, what's the logic behind allowing them to remain, given they would be contaigous another two+ weeks? There isn't any reason that the side of the bridge one was on at a random moent in time makes any difference.


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It's also worth noting, this petition was started not in response to the county decision, but to the three petitions circulating to ban non-resident homeowners from the island for the duration, and the quite organized and vehement email writing campaign that culminated in Dare's rash execution of this ****show.

And if that wasn't off the charts mal-adjusted mentally enough to call them into question, there was a group of people following people with out of state plates, photographing them, and confronting them, including the spouse of a coastie. I beleieve they've ramped up policing of the group, so the photos of "offenders" and license plates are being taken down almost immediately. And, again, they are a small faction of people, but it they are doing this on full display for the public and for tourists to see.




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Why on earth would anyone expect that their entire community can be tested? Should be tested? Its all over the news, and has been for a month. There are not enough tests. Period. The fact that people have been leaving Dare Co to be tested elsewhere is so irresponsible I am floored. Why would anyone do that? No one "needs to know" if they have it. Clear instructions have been in place for weeks. If you do not feel well you stay home and self isolate. You pick up a phone and call the people you have had close contact with and let them know so they can do the same. If you experience severe shortness of breath or distress, then you call your doctor or local ER. You do not risk others by traveling to another county to use resources not allocated to you because you "want to know". What a waste. Test negative today, may catch it tomorrow, and one less test for those who need them. (You is generalized of course.)

There is logic in not evacuating. Same as not letting people in. Shelter in place. Flatten the curve. Deal with the population you have. Stop mingling in and out of town. Simple as that.

I'm sorry the RV'ers are inconvenienced. Were they trying to get in or out a month ago when this began and denied? Are they suddenly in danger? Is living in an RV agreeable for 3 months but not 4?? Is it even logical to think about traveling to National Parks to work right now anyway? Or a hardship to stay on the road an extra month? What about the people who were stuck on cruises,and then detained/quarantined instead of being allowed to go home after disembarking? Or people all over the world trapped still trapped in other countries? I really dont think the address on their ID means much.

Oh well. I've said my piece. Wishing everyone continued good health, and most importantly, sanity. smiley


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So what is interesting here is - why is there so much opposition to this simple petition?

It is not saying that access to OBX should be granted to non-resident owners. It is recognizing the current situation as it stands - residents can gain access to their property and non resident property owners can not.

Why is crediting non-resident property owners for the time they are not allowed to access their property and use tax provided county services unfair?

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Corakers Dad
Sorry. Not to change the subject, but I couldn't get pass the presumptive headline. "The WEALTHY Flee Coronavirus. Vacation Towns Respond: Stay Away." Why does everyone that doesn't have a second home, presume that anyone that does, is "Wealthy"? I have worked damn hard for my homes. Nobody has ever given me a thing. I'm proof that paying your bills on time, not over extending yourself, and a good credit rating can just about get you anything you want in modern America. And another thing, I did it on a high school education.



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Why on earth would anyone expect that their entire community can be tested? Should be tested? Its all over the news, and has been for a month. There are not enough tests. Period. The fact that people have been leaving Dare Co to be tested elsewhere is so irresponsible I am floored. Why would anyone do that? No one "needs to know" if they have it. Clear instructions have been in place for weeks. If you do not feel well you stay home and self isolate. You pick up a phone and call the people you have had close contact with and let them know so they can do the same. If you experience severe shortness of breath or distress, then you call your doctor or local ER. You do not risk others by traveling to another county to use resources not allocated to you because you "want to know". What a waste. Test negative today, may catch it tomorrow, and one less test for those who need them. (You is generalized of course.)

There is logic in not evacuating. Same as not letting people in. Shelter in place. Flatten the curve. Deal with the population you have. Stop mingling in and out of town. Simple as that.

I'm sorry the RV'ers are inconvenienced. Were they trying to get in or out a month ago when this began and denied? Are they suddenly in danger? Is living in an RV agreeable for 3 months but not 4?? Is it even logical to think about traveling to National Parks to work right now anyway? Or a hardship to stay on the road an extra month? What about the people who were stuck on cruises,and then detained/quarantined instead of being allowed to go home after disembarking? Or people all over the world trapped still trapped in other countries? I really dont think the address on their ID means much.

Oh well. I've said my piece. Wishing everyone continued good health, and most importantly, sanity. smiley

nicki


We're not talking about the entire community. We are talking about people who are showing symptoms, people who have job exposure (the EMT they wouldn't test who went elsewhere), and would have been tested under the guidelines in other states. We're talking about the difference between the transparency in other states vs. the lack of it here, and the lack of using tests that are available.

People do need to know. You can call Bob and tell him you feel unwell and are self isolating. If you don't get tested, he can't get tested. He also can't use sick time from his job, or access the FMLA provisions in the recent statute. And, absent that, he'll likley go to work and spread the virus sooner than be furloughed or take leave without pay, both of which make unemployment compensation unavailable to him.

Beyond that, if you can't or won't tets everyone, and you won't evacuate nor close the road to ingress and egress, excluding certain castes of residents doesn't provide you safety or reduced transmission, just a false sense of security and the ability to put their embarassing xenophobia on full display.

There is no logic in not evacuating. I acts outside the county's authority. Lack of evacuation eliminated insurer's need to pay claims for lost vacations. And it does not further any objective of getting help for the people who will become infected and need care, especially in the near total absence of isolating behavior.

Living in an RV without proper sewage and electric for months, yes, is a problem. There is no on the road. There are not campsites to utilize. How long could you do it? And there's no reason to think that people going to their own property pose a danger to everyone - least of all because nearly no one would even begin to take social distancing seriously, nor even stop grocery shopping for three weeks. Failing that, it doesn't matter where anyone has come from because despite the protestations of the hatefully ignorant, the test noted this week was not the first Dare County person infected, and there's nothing for outsiders to bring to the island. Well, except TP. But good news is it won't be needed and deliveries can be reduced. But it's interesting you think making high risk individuals go to an area hundreds of miles away is in the best interest of society as a whole.

Not everyone you insist on calling "nonresident homeowners" actually is a nonresident, but there's no arguing they all were treated the same, and in a way no one would have appreciated. And, for what? If that's ok, you will be vocally defending when Virginia teslls NC residents they cannot obtain vents in their state, right? sure, Protecting their population, after all...

People aren't proud of this because it was the right thing to do. They're defending it because it didn't adversely affect them.



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Why on earth would anyone expect that their entire community can be tested? Should be tested? Its all over the news, and has been for a month. There are not enough tests. Period. The fact that people have been leaving Dare Co to be tested elsewhere is so irresponsible I am floored. Why would anyone do that? No one "needs to know" if they have it. Clear instructions have been in place for weeks. If you do not feel well you stay home and self isolate. You pick up a phone and call the people you have had close contact with and let them know so they can do the same. If you experience severe shortness of breath or distress, then you call your doctor or local ER. You do not risk others by traveling to another county to use resources not allocated to you because you "want to know". What a waste. Test negative today, may catch it tomorrow, and one less test for those who need them. (You is generalized of course.)

There is logic in not evacuating. Same as not letting people in. Shelter in place. Flatten the curve. Deal with the population you have. Stop mingling in and out of town. Simple as that.

I'm sorry the RV'ers are inconvenienced. Were they trying to get in or out a month ago when this began and denied? Are they suddenly in danger? Is living in an RV agreeable for 3 months but not 4?? Is it even logical to think about traveling to National Parks to work right now anyway? Or a hardship to stay on the road an extra month? What about the people who were stuck on cruises,and then detained/quarantined instead of being allowed to go home after disembarking? Or people all over the world trapped still trapped in other countries? I really dont think the address on their ID means much.

Oh well. I've said my piece. Wishing everyone continued good health, and most importantly, sanity. smiley

nicki


We're not talking about the entire community. We are talking about people who are showing symptoms, people who have job exposure (the EMT they wouldn't test who went elsewhere), and would have been tested under the guidelines in other states. We're talking about the difference between the transparency in other states vs. the lack of it here, and the lack of using tests that are available.

People do need to know. You can call Bob and tell him you feel unwell and are self isolating. If you don't get tested, he can't get tested. He also can't use sick time from his job, or access the FMLA provisions in the recent statute. And, absent that, he'll likley go to work and spread the virus sooner than be furloughed or take leave without pay, both of which make unemployment compensation unavailable to him.

Beyond that, if you can't or won't tets everyone, and you won't evacuate nor close the road to ingress and egress, excluding certain castes of residents doesn't provide you safety or reduced transmission, just a false sense of security and the ability to put their embarassing xenophobia on full display.

There is no logic in not evacuating. I acts outside the county's authority. Lack of evacuation eliminated insurer's need to pay claims for lost vacations. And it does not further any objective of getting help for the people who will become infected and need care, especially in the near total absence of isolating behavior.

Living in an RV without proper sewage and electric for months, yes, is a problem. There is no on the road. There are not campsites to utilize. How long could you do it? And there's no reason to think that people going to their own property pose a danger to everyone - least of all because nearly no one would even begin to take social distancing seriously, nor even stop grocery shopping for three weeks. Failing that, it doesn't matter where anyone has come from because despite the protestations of the hatefully ignorant, the test noted this week was not the first Dare County person infected, and there's nothing for outsiders to bring to the island. Well, except TP. But good news is it won't be needed and deliveries can be reduced. But it's interesting you think making high risk individuals go to an area hundreds of miles away is in the best interest of society as a whole.

Not everyone you insist on calling "nonresident homeowners" actually is a nonresident, but there's no arguing they all were treated the same, and in a way no one would have appreciated. And, for what? If that's ok, you will be vocally defending when Virginia teslls NC residents they cannot obtain vents in their state, right? sure, Protecting their population, after all...

People aren't proud of this because it was the right thing to do. They're defending it because it didn't adversely affect them.

KDHBreeze


KDH your argument is a "false equivalence", Logic 101. At the end of the day things aren't perfect or fair, though we all wish they were. I'm probably one of the most jaded people on the planet when


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It's not.

But, to understand that, you would need to realize some very uncomfortable truths about individual and collective feelings when others are harmed vs.ourselves, and that takes a level of introspection and moral character we're not seeing here.


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It's not.

But, to understand that, you would need to realize some very uncomfortable truths about individual and collective feelings when others are harmed vs.ourselves, and that takes a level of introspection and moral character we're not seeing here.

KDHBreeze


Don't know what happened to the rest of my post (I'm the highest form of Luddite with tech and will never be able to watch TV again should something happen to my wife and her army of remotes), but I went on to express my humble thought that this was nothing more than a decision based on math, i.e. numbers, and how to reduce them quickly. It's not perfect and I stand by my belief that what you are proposing is a false equivalence. Should we learn from this and be better prepared in the future? Yes. I just don't think the local gov was maliciously singling out anyone and I'm frustrated that the issue is sucking so much air at a time like this. It's important, but for another day.


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