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Beach nourishment before and after

Beach nourishment before and after




I took a before picture in April when we were down and an after picture today.

This is before:





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Here is after




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Instant beach
Enjoy


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Looks like money well spent to preserve enjoyment. Nice!


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hatterasnc, how often can the current structure of the tax base support this kind of expenditure?


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hatterasnc, how often can the current structure of the tax base support this kind of expenditure?


A new report from the state shows visitor spending in North Carolina set a record of $21.9 billion in 2015, while Dare County eclipsed the $1 billion mark for a second straight year.

Dare County had the fourth-highest total for spending at $1.05 billion last year, trailing only the three main metropolitan counties of Mecklenburg, Wake and Guilford.

Currituck was 33rd at $146.3 million, and Hyde came in 73rd at $33.5 million.


That is a 2016 number so I would say beach nourishment gets a good rate of return.


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hatterasnc, how often can the current structure of the tax base support this kind of expenditure?

Crunch


The 'Sand Tax' is a separate tax from the 'Nagshead Property tax' payed over 5 years. to the Town of Nagshead.
It is based on the proximity of the cottage to the ocean.
OF, semi ocean front and Ocean side pay te highest rates.
The remainder comes from Dare County from other funds.



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hatterasnc, how often can the current structure of the tax base support this kind of expenditure?

Crunch


As always, the dark cloud surrounding the silver lining from the glass half-empty person weighs in.
My answer-as long as it provides a return on investment. Which it does.


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Thanks, Whaler 9818. Good to know! Makes sense that the closest would pay the mostest.


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Looks like money well spent to preserve enjoyment. Nice!

hatterasnc


I agree! I'm not sure why this is such a controversial comment. No snark intended. It looks like the beach has been well-nourished and I hope that these improvements help maintain and grow revenue for the area.


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Thanks, Colleen! Also good to know.


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Come back in March and see what is left. That will be the real test



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It's not just for a tourism return. A bigger factor that stands on its own is preservation of property and people's wealth, large or small. That answer is: As long as it is worth the needed $$ to the property owners. That is usually an impossible question to answer as there are a ton of variables; you might as well ask how much money can be spent keeping up the NYC subways and underground utilities to preserve an operating city, or how much for controlling floods along the Ohio or Mississippi rivers, to preserve farmland and homes. For NYC, the present answer is: As much as it takes.

IIRC, the last project in this area was 2012. The average rate of needing renewal is really an unknown at this point.... 2 times is not enough to reliably set an average.


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Thanks, Beachmark, and understood.

I did not realize until reading about it last night that this was only the 2nd time the NH nourishment has been done. I thought it had been done regularly in the past, but with increasing frequency in the most recent years. Apparently, that is not the case - the first time it was ever done was in 2011/2012. You mentioned 2012 and I think it was Whaler who had mentioned 2011.

That gives pause if all the re-nourishing is relatively recent.

The mayor of NH was quoted in the Virginia Pilot in May as "We're going to renourish as we can until we can't," he said. "That's what we will do. I do think that at some point out there it will get difficult. One day, a future board is going to have to make a hard call."

That statement does not inspire a whole of confidence that the re-nourishment will do the trick or that the financial resources are in place to keep doing it. Click to follow link...

BTW, my main interest in this is whether to buy or to continue to rent.



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Come back in March and see what is left. That will be the real test

Alexy


Come on Ray. We went through this argument in 2011 and there was still a lot of the renourished beach in May 2019 when they started round 2. Many said it would wash away after the 1st storm, then they said after the 2nd for sure and then they say by summer and then by summer of the next year and then .............you see where this is going I am sure. Those people do that work all over the world because it does work. It won't last forever but what does near the salt water?

Here is one of my dogs today on the 2017 nourished beach in Kitty Hawk. In 2016 the water was about at the far left side of this picture, the sand is still there two years later.




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Come back in March and see what is left. That will be the real test

Alexy


Come on Ray. We went through this argument in 2011 and there was still a lot of the renourished beach in May

Tim-OBX


Tim - Ray Midgette passed away, and Alexy is a trusted member of this board. Oops.


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Crunch, we purchased an oceanfront house in fall 2014. There had been beach nourishment in front of it 2011, but the owner had done no sand fencing, no planting beach grass, nothing to improve on the beach. we added sand fencing, planted beach grass that thanksgiving, and have just continued to build on that every year. I'm proud to say we have baby dunes that have held up and look better year to year.
its not just moving the sand, the town is also placing new sand fencing and planting sea oats to help hold on to the sand.
IF you consider buying ocean front, factor in cost of maintaining your dune or whatever in front of it from year to year.


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Thanks, Beachmark, and understood.

I did not realize until reading about it last night that this was only the 2nd time the NH nourishment has been done. I thought it had been done regularly in the past, but with increasing frequency in the most recent years. Apparently, that is not the case - the first time it was ever done was in 2011/2012. You mentioned 2012 and I think it was Whaler who had mentioned 2011.

That gives pause if all the re-nourishing is relatively recent.

The mayor of NH was quoted in the Virginia Pilot in May as "We're going to renourish as we can until we can't," he said. "That's what we will do. I do think that at some point out there it will get difficult. One day, a future board is going to have to make a hard call."

That statement does not inspire a whole of confidence that the re-nourishment will do the trick or that the financial resources are in place to keep doing it. Click to follow link...

BTW, my main interest in this is whether to buy or to continue to rent.

Crunch
That 2011-2012 time frame was the first time I know of in the OBX. So yes, is it relatively new on the OBX. That is not the case in some areas further north.

LOL..... I'd not listen to any politician on such matters, nor listen much to journalists. Politicians tend to be more reactive and are typically not at all prescient on such matters. Journalists have very little to no financial understanding, and bring personal agendas far too often into their writings. Both miss the BIG deal in this area: the BIG price to pay will be if the BIG ONE hits (Cat 3 or 4 or 5 hurricane). IMHO, that will make BN costs look like child's play.

As for finances, the number of homes in Nags Head is what... 2000 to 3000 ish? (I see that almost 1500 have been built since 1996 so that total number seems rational.) With those numbers, and the costs for BN as it has been, that is maybe $1000 per year per the near-ocean homes, and $300-400 per year for non-near-ocean homes if it just just assessments and added property taxes. That seems quite sustainable for a popular resort area, and does not include other $$ sources. IMHO, the whole situation depends more on if the area continues as a popular beach destination; as long as that is the case, the property value will hold, and thus the BN $$, will be there, as it will be worth it to make the investment. People WANT to re-create, and there are only so many pretty beaches; coastal Maine makes for some pretty rough swimming.....

As for your plans, be aware that some areas are not experiencing beach erosion. It is by no means a universal matter up and down the OBX.


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Come back in March and see what is left. That will be the real test

Alexy


Come on Ray. We went through this argument in 2011 and there was still a lot of the renourished beach in May

Tim-OBX


Tim - Ray Midgette passed away, and Alexy is a trusted member of this board. Oops.

hatterasnc

...Let him have his fun.
I would think I am far more affable than ray. Now if he had tossed me out there with Croat...... I would be upset.


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Crotalus....now thats a blast from the past for sure!


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Crotalus....now thats a blast from the past for sure!

nicki


Don't say it three times, he's like Beetlejuice!
Love this glossary thread, we have beachmark accurately using 'prescient' and Alexy using 'affable.' Had to look those up ;>)


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Crotalus....now thats a blast from the past for sure!

nicki


Don't say it three times, he's like Beetlejuice!
Love this glossary thread, we have beachmark accurately using 'prescient' and Alexy using 'affable.' Had to look those up ;>)

hatterasnc

Broadening your horizons!


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Come back in March and see what is left. That will be the real test

Alexy


Come on Ray. We went through this argument in 2011 and there was still a lot of the renourished beach in May

Tim-OBX


Tim - Ray Midgette passed away, and Alexy is a trusted member of this board. Oops.

hatterasnc


Wait, Tim knows “EVERYTHING” about the Outer Banks, but he didn’t know Ray passed a year and a half ago? Say it isn’t so Tim.


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Thanks, all. Insights much appreciated.

A client will not invest in a project if "there are too many ifs", as he puts it. My gut feel is that the probability of a big one is relatively high, and the Mayor's comment is likely how this will play out, perhaps over the duration of a 30-year mortgage. I know I will not be prescient enough to sell a few weeks before the big one hits.

Too many ifs here for me.

Renting will work just fine until it won't, as the Mayor might say. We can enjoy all OBX has to offer when we want and as we want without the headaches and concerns of ownership. And if I am as concerned as I am now about the risks of ownership, not sure I would want to leave that concern to my kids. Could get worse and be much more trouble to them than it is worth.

Tim, wasn't that beach decimated by Matthew? Wasn't Matthew downgraded to a tropical storm before it hit OBX?

I saw the damage Matthew did and I'm trying to wrap my head around how different it might have been if there was a 3, 4, or 5 hit, as Beachmark and others have mentioned. When was the last time there was a direct OBX hit from, say, a 3, 4, or 5?




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There has not been any OF houses lost that were not already condemned prior to the first BN in NH.
There has been minimal damage done to some of the OF structure, but nothing like damage done prior to BN.
There was a Nor' Easter in 1989 that 'wiped out' 71 OF structures and damaged 200 plus other structures.
Our OF cottages was one of the ones damged during the 1989 storm, eventually losing it to another 'Nor easter', prior to BN

Considering some of the vicious Nor'easter that has happened since BN, and some of the hurricanes I believe BN has done a good job.

Keep in mind that other east coast resorts areas in NJ MD, DE, have BN at least as frequentlyif not more often

Crunch



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