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Proposed Hatteras Village 7 Story Hotel




SAGA is requesting a zoning amendment to construct a 7 story hotel oceanfront in Hatteras Village. Anyone can express their opinions on this project directly to the County Commissioners at:
DCBOC@darenc.com
They do track and take into account public feedback submitted via email.




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I presume this is the site of the motel that was devastated by Hurricane Isabel in 2003. I read an eyewitness account of Isabel coming ashore by someone who weathered the storm in a house across the road from that location. They said the surface of the ocean was level with the top of the dunes and there were 15 foot breakers on top of that. I wonder what property insurance costs for a seven story building given that history.

Is there a market for that many hotel rooms in Hatteras? In the 80s, a four story hotel was built in Avon where Ocean Isle Loop is now. Does anyone remember the name of that place? It lost money and the owners couldn't afford to maintain the place. By the end, the exterior stucco was falling off, the lobby was decrepit, and the guest rooms smelled like a gym bag.


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I presume this is the site of the motel that was devastated by Hurricane Isabel in 2003. I read an eyewitness account of Isabel coming ashore by someone who weathered the storm in a house across the road from that location. They said the surface of the ocean was level with the top of the dunes and there were 15 foot breakers on top of that. I wonder what property insurance costs for a seven story building given that history.

Is there a market for that many hotel rooms in Hatteras? In the 80s, a four story hotel was built in Avon where Ocean Isle Loop is now. Does anyone remember the name of that place? It lost money and the owners couldn't afford to maintain the place. By the end, the exterior stucco was falling off, the lobby was decrepit, and the guest rooms smelled like a gym bag.

TwentyPSI

That came from gary Sissler.
The hotel you are trying to remember was the Castaway then Kona Kai Had the Blue Parrot restaurant in the bottom that moved out in the mid 90's After isabelle they pushed the thing over.
Below is a pic of where the Billy Mitchell motel was after the storm and where they want to build




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I In the 80s, a four story hotel was built in Avon....

TwentyPSI


That place was an eye sore from day one. It never fit in on Hatteras. I have dreaded the day when larger hotels come to the island. I don't care how beautify the architecture could be ...anything that scale is going to look like arse.

My email has been sent to the Commissioners and I am trying to swing a quick road trip to get to that meeting. Large hotels and Hatteras don't go together.


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Holiday Inn tried that already down by the ferry docks, and it was only two stories tall. Now the rooms are rented by a local rental agency. The market just isn't there...(Thankfully!)


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Holiday Inn tried that already down by the ferry docks, and it was only two stories tall. Now the rooms are rented by a local rental agency. The market just isn't there...(Thankfully!)

Squid Pro Quo


There was also a plan for a hotel with a marina and mini-golf to be built just north of the Pea Island Art Gallery in Salvo a number of years ago. Thank goodness that never came to town.


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If you would like to email the entire board of supervisors of Dare county about it you can email them at:
DCBOC@darenc.com


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Please consider - this may just work. The property owner/developer is taking the risk, unlike the HIOC proposal to build an pier and pier house/entertainment center some years ago - requesting Community and County fund$. That was a failure and why HIOC sold the property.

If done properly, this may work. Why reflexively protest a no-risk proposal? Stop, think, and make constructive comments. Is 70 feet to high for a building in this area? Why? What is the plan for exterior lighting to mitigate disturbance and peaceful enjoyment of neighboring properties? How is the building to be positioned and how will parking areas be contructed (non-pervious surfaces may contribute to runoff and flooding, changes may be necessary to hwy12 to accommodate traffic making turns)? Is there a proposal or consideration given to a future pier at this location? (which would be a needed asset after the loss of Frisco and the erosion at Rodanthe).

Again, don't just reflexively react negatively based on past experiences. I lost a house in Isabel. I understand the risk. I think SAGA does also, much better than I. Let the process play out. Be fair.


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It's interesting, economics, limited infrastructure and private land availability have usually been natural limits to overdevelopment on Hatteras Island.

There's a part of me who suspects SAGA wants to build a 4 or 5 story building, but anticipates pushback from the community, so they are starting with a 7 story structure, knowing that they can negotiate down. My guess is the permeable surface area constraints will ultimately be the limiting factor, on less they're planning on having parking across NC12 on the sound side.


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Folks can debate the pros and cons of this project all day and how things can be done to minimize the potential impacts, but the bottom line is a 7 story building just doesn't fit into the fabric/environment of Hatteras Island.


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Folks can debate the pros and cons of this project all day and how things can be done to minimize the potential impacts, but the bottom line is a 7 story building just doesn't fit into the fabric/environment of Hatteras Island.

Robert

Perfectly said.



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Strategy. Saga asks and fights for a 7 story building knowing it will never fly but in actuality will settle for a 4 story building and be thrilled with a 5 story. Developers do this all the time. If Saga went in and asked for a 4 story hotel ,it would be knocked down to three or even two story building.


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Again, don't just reflexively react negatively based on past experiences. Let the process play out. Be fair.

hatterasnc


I would want to be fair, but I also have to take into consideration what I can see of SAGA's footprint all over KDH and Corolla, too. It's hard to overlook that.


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Where exactly was the Billy Mitchell Motel?


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Where exactly was the Billy Mitchell Motel?

bosoxtodd

Next to the Hatteras Cabanas


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cool comments and understood.
Who stood up and protested against when Durant Station's former ground level cinderblock hotel, washed away in Isabel, was reconstructed as a three story condominium building? None. It was great to get reconstruction and visitation restored in the two years after. It is a success story of owners taking risk and restoring the area.
Just stop and think. Don't be emotional. Whether it be two, four or seven floors, the developer is taking the risk. Residents and visitors should focus on how it affects the culture, infrastructure and peaceful enjoyment of the Village. Just because it doesn't fit the "fabric/environment" (whatever that means?) doesn't mean it is a bad idea.
I am sure residents and the BOC will make comments and "feelings" clear, and it will carry the water of the day. One way or the other. Or in between.


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Gupta from SAGA said at the meeting in May at the Marlin club he really didn't care if the hotel was approved or not.
I think Joy Crist reported the same in her IFP article.
I think they have the by right OK to put 20 homes there anyway.


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My knee jerk reaction is of course....Hatteras Island doesn't need a big hotel. But I also thought putting a Dollar General in Buxton was a bad idea until I talked to some friends who live on Hatteras Island and they were happy about it.
So....I will wait until I talk to them before I really form an opinion on this matter.


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Just because it doesn't fit the "fabric/environment" (whatever that means?) doesn't mean it is a bad idea.



Kinda like making the gift shop at the Currituck Lighthouse into a fast food restaurant or maybe a skate board bowl on the slope below the Wright Brothers Monument at the Wright Brothers National Memorial. It just doesn't fit into the fabric/environment.


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I want to join Robert's Fan Club! SAGA is a very powerful Company with lots of Money and ownership of many parcels of undeveloped land. Don't underestimate any of their plans. As an old timer, I simply don't think it fits Hatteras or any Outer Banks area . Well I don't like any of the new construction from the early 80's, so you see where I'm coming from. Over and Out!


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Gupta from SAGA said at the meeting in May at the Marlin club he really didn't care if the hotel was approved or not.
I think Joy Crist reported the same in her IFP article.
I think they have the by right OK to put 20 homes there anyway.

Alexy

Right. I actually just read it. https://islandfreepress.org/blog/a-closer-look-at-the-proposed-hatteras-hotel-project/

I'm only a yearly visitor and my first response when saw the posts on FB was to groan but reading this gave me pause. Locals certainly need to make their voices heard. It's their home, their livelihoods; I'm just lucky enough to visit.



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Just sent a note to the Dare Co. in opposition to this project. Let them hear your voice!


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Strategy. Saga asks and fights for a 7 story building knowing it will never fly but in actuality will settle for a 4 story building and be thrilled with a 5 story. Developers do this all the time. If Saga went in and asked for a 4 story hotel ,it would be knocked down to three or even two story building.

colleen40



Absolutely correct Colleen. A ploy that is laughable, but unfortunately works quite a bit.


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It's interesting, economics, limited infrastructure and private land availability have usually been natural limits to overdevelopment on Hatteras Island.

There's a part of me who suspects SAGA wants to build a 4 or 5 story building, but anticipates pushback from the community, so they are starting with a 7 story structure, knowing that they can negotiate down. My guess is the permeable surface area constraints will ultimately be the limiting factor, on less they're planning on having parking across NC12 on the sound side.

Brad Z


That was my first thought as well - they're asking for something huge and will 'settle' for what they originally wanted.



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Commissioner Woodard did reply to my earlier email. I encourage you to send your thoughts.

I believe the hearing is to amend the C-2H district to allow an increased height and lot coverage within the district. If granted, this provision will be permitted for all lands within the zone. That opens the flood gates for taller structures to be constructed on any lot within the C-2H zone.

Don't think more will be built? Compare Kitty Hawk and Nags Head from the 70' to now...it is night and day. Development will continue to happen... not immediately...but more density means more people, then more retail, then more infrastructure, then more housing... It is a viscous cycle.

I have represented developers, builders, and business owners at zoning, special exception, and conditional use hearings throughout central PA. Ask a Lancaster County native how Lancaster has changed since the 90's. As a site engineer, I have been involved with a huge amount of development in Lancaster (and in many instances, I'm not proud of it). Once a text amendment for greater density is made to the municipal/county ordinance, greater development follows (Lancaster County residents need only to look at the Fruiteville Pike corridor).

It may not happen overnight, but granting the Conditional Use will be another big step towards turning Hatteras into the beaches up north (no disrespect, they are just different than Hatteras).


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