Here's another "science" experiment in the meantime. Take a medium saucepan, fill it halfway with water, put it on a stove burner at low heat and allow it to warm, eventually boiling. Record the time until the water level/nucleate boiling causes it to boil over. Empty the pan, allow to cool and refill to same level. Now, take a blowtorch at similar low heat and heat the water evenly from above until (if) it boils over. Record the time (if it does boil over?).
What happens to the water when heated from below? What happens to the water when heated from above? The oceans are an amazing heat sink when heated from above, and since global warming doesn't heat from below...Which is the ocean warming scam, and which is not?
see there you go going off topic to throwing clay pots and stuff. metal, clay, conduction...who has time for this?
dude, this is simple thermodynamics. Sorry, I know that's a long word.
This experiment is also irrelevant with regard to climate change analysis, ocean rise, etc. It certainly does nothing to prove the existence of an ocean warming scam.
The stated experiment relates only to heating water in different ways. In the blow torch scenario most of the heat energy from the flame gets lost to heating the air (which has a much lower specific heat capacity as compared to the water). Also because the flame is being applied only to a much smaller surface fraction of the liquid, as compared to more evenly heated metal pan used in the first scenario that is in contact with a much larger surface area of the liquid.
So yes dude.. it IS simple thermodynamics. The heat sink characteristics of water (it's ability to absorb energy) are irrelevant to the experiment since it doesn't change the fact that it requires putting the same amount of energy into the water to get it boiling in each case. The experiment shows only that there are more and/or less efficient ways to do that energy transfer.
So it's not clear to me what point you were trying to make? But FYI climate scientists are aware of the energy transfer characteristics of heating ocean water from both solar radiation and air, so those effects are taken into account.
welcome Virtual. I am sorry you are confused by the parameters of scientific investigation, and changing the parameters from freshwater to saltwater. It is important in science to answer direct questions with discovery, and if unable, to change the subject. As you have accomplished. But, hey, I'll play along.
I have done both with "saltwater" and freshwater, and ice on the edge of the bowl (land based ice) and immersed.
I have also set up a collection area and measured runoff (the effect of melting land-based ice - not glaciers, which are mainly earthen rock and soil). The results are the same, zero to negligible effect.
I think you are highly invested in your science and beliefs. And that's OK. It is the path you have chosen. Ride on.
The difference between science and beliefs is: one is proven, and one is faith.
And don't go all in on saying it is proven, fact, 4/5 of scientists believe. A reasonable person would disagree.
But hey, welcome, have fun, and enjoy!